nv4_disp.dll BSOD/Freezing!!

[gmgq]

So there's this NOTORIOUS problem with Nvidia's Geforce drivers and XP, and unfortunately I'm hit by it.

Every once in a while, my system will Freeze. After the reboot, XP will notify me (the admin) that a critical error has occured, and it's caused by the file nv4_disp.dll. Else I will get a BSOD telling me the same thing, that the same file has caushed a problem.

Most of the time, the system will just freeze while I'm doing something simple (nothing strenuous to the system at all). Like surfing the net, or checking email. Sometimes it will freeze when I'm playing a game (actually, it freezes during the loadup of the game; once I'm in the game, it's usually fine).

Searching the net has revealed that there's no real 'fix' for it yet. They say "try using an older Geforce driver," but that hasn't helped. I'm not using any funky tweaks or anything to the card, everything is default. I even tried to disable a lot of the features, but that doesn't make a difference (besides lowering my gaming experience!). VIA even has a section on their website dealing with this problem (as it seems to occur a lot on VIA chipsets), but none of their suggestions have helped me (and I don' thave a VIA mobo anyways).

Besides freezing, my system likes to "pause" sometimes. The mouse still works, and the current window kind of works. But when I try to switch windows, or even open up my ICQ or Start button, nothing will happen for like a minute, then all of a sudden everything that I clicked will 'catch up' and happen all at once (i.e. ICQ will pop up, the Start menu will pop up, the window that I wanted to switch to will pop up, etc). I'm wondering if this 'pausing' is related to the freezing...?

I don't recall installing anything that has caused these problems. Nothing out of the ordinary... No beta software, or little programs.

As usual, any and all help is Greatly Appreciated.

Here are my vitals, FYI:
CPU: PIII-1000 (But set to 788, since my bios can't reduce the AGP bus enough)
MOBO: Abit BE6-II (RV BIOS)
768MB RAM
VIDEO: GeForce2 GTS PRO 64MB AGP (Detonator 28.32)
OS: Windows XP Pro

And misc drives, etc. (I don't think they're relevant, so I won't waste everyone's time listing it).

Oh, and I just ran the Windows Update a day or two ago, but that didn't change much.

[NDC]

Been there...

Windows XP seems really picky about the version of Detonator drivers! Try using 22.50 which I have found to be the most BSOD free driver for Nvidia cards under Windows XP as well as all other Windows versions..


Click Me! (http://www.3dchipset.com/drivers/beta/nvidia/series2xx.shtml)

[gmgq]

Thanks, NDC. I've changed over to those drivers, and so far so good. Definitely less frequent BSOD. Maybe 1 every few days.

Only issue that hasn't been resolved is the weird "pauses." But at least those pauses don't result in freezing. Everything but the mouse cursor is frozen, so I'm clicking stuff, but nothing opens up. Then after a minute or so, all those clicks open up into a mess of windows for me.

[jadison]

Same thing happens to me as well. Haven't found a fix for it yet.

[NDC]

Glad your first problem was solved... As for your second problem, it sounds like a certain sevice or application is taking away processor time... Run Windows XP with Task Manager running and see if any program(s) are putting a load on the processor...

[cyclone2]

Your pauses: are they occuring immediately after boot up?
Thats when I get them, its like something is taking its time loading up :rolleyes: [I assume networking]

[gmgq]

No, it's not the bootup pauses. It's just while I'm inside XP already. Sometimes after I press SEND for an ICQ message, the ICQ window will minimize and everything will be paused (except for the mouse).

[jadison]

gmgq - That's the EXACT same thing that happens to me. Hmmm. :confused:

[NDC]

First of all, have you both tried what I suggested? Personally, I haven't had that particular problem on any of my systems running Windows XP or systems I've installed Windows XP...

[gmgq]

Everything 'appears' in order in the Task Manager... Nothing jumps out to me as being weird or unecessary...


Originally posted by NDC
First of all, have you both tried what I suggested? Personally, I haven't had that particular problem on any of my systems running Windows XP or systems I've installed Windows XP...

[Stan]

Hi

I also have a VIA based mobo (Asus CUV4X-D). My video card is the Asus V7700 GeForce 2 GTS.
I have installed v23.11 (from www.nvidia.co.uk) and I have updated them to 23.12 (downloaded from windowsupdate.microsoft.com).

No problem so far...

Stan

[NDC]

Yeah, as far as Detonator drivers go, 22.50 has been the best as far as Performance and stability goes. As mentioned above, Windows XP doesn't like to play nice with certain versions of Detonator drivers, not even the Reference Drivers! Now I'm running 23.12 and it's been running without any problems on my Windows XP rig. 23.11 was a giving BSOD left and right. Boy! What a difference .01 can make, huh? :D

[gmgq]

jadison, what version of ICQ are you using? I just upgraded to 2002a right now (release date of this build was 19-APR-2002), and it appears to have fixed the pausing after sending messages problem. Give it a go!

[jadison]

I'm still using 2001b...you aren't having any problems with that new version?
I'll read more about the new version, I was actually just thinking of upgrading.

NDC - As for services...I have one sapisvr.exe that's taking 22MB on avg of my memory. I'm sure it's associated with IIS or MySQL...do you have any other input as to if I need this service running, what exactly is it, etc?

[Mntsnow]

Microsoft said its speech recognition engine, a program file named Sapisvr.exe, is turned on at installation by some computer manufacturers. The engine is also included with Microsoft Office XP and other speech-enabled products.

so it would seem that it's related to your XP OS and should be fine to turn off as it deals with "speech"

[jadison]

Hmmm...then it must've come from when I installed the speech recognition from MSFT Plus XP...I wanted to give that software a try...didn't like it. So, I'm uninstalling that now and hopefully that service will go away as well.

[CapStar362]

i have a friend who is having Issues with nv4_disp.dll and its giving him a BSOD with the following Stop Info:

STOP MESSAGE: 0X00000007F (0X00000008, 0X80042000, 0X00000000, 0X00000000)

MS Website turns up nothing neither does google, i found you guys after searching for nv4_Disp.dll

[Shyguy]

Is he using the latest nVidia Drivers, Forceware Drivers?
(also the Forceware drivers will work with all GF series cards, just won't be able to use all features)
even though this thread was posted 2 years ago I had never ever encountered a problem with XP & any of my nVidia products, of course I may have been using the unaffected drivers at the time, but still I run XP & a GF4Ti4200 using the latest Forceware Drivers & DX9.1b & never have a hiccup.

[NDC]

With the newest version of Forceware, I was getting split second pauses while playing "Need for Speed underground" on my Gainward FX5800 Ultra.... Didn't have this problem with my TI-4200 on the same box... I just went ahead and got myself an ATI 9800 Pro from Fry's for $199.00 and this thing rocks... Quiet and very fast card...

[Shyguy]

I plan on switching over to ATI my self soon if I can find an affordable 9700 or 9700 Pro, maybe even a standard 9800, but if I can't then I'll settle for a 5900XT, as I want something with 256bit memory at a good price. I'm also interested in seeing how the newer BFG 5900XT's are gonna be as they are Off the shelf OCed factory cards, the 5900XT one is supposed to be a bit faster core speed than a 5900 but have slower memory speed than the 5900, so it should be intersting to see how it does against a 5900, but either way I'm seriously thinking about jumping the nVidia ship & swimming over to ATI for now, it'd be the first time I did something like this in 5 or 6 years, last time I jumped ship from 3DFX to join nVidia.

[NDC]

Do some searching around and you will ses some benchmark comparison between 9800 pro, 9800XT, FX 5800 Ultra , 5900Ultra 5950 Ultra... Overall, the 9800XT is about 10% faster than 9800 Pro, with 5950XT running third on most benchmarks...

[Shyguy]

Yeah already saw some benchy's over at Toms Hardware awhile back, just want something with 256bit memory & at least 128MB DDR, also full DX9 support. Not looking to get the top of the line but about a mid level card. Still waiting to see if there are any reviews on the new DDR3 cards released by nVidia's card builders, XFX, etc!!!

[CapStar362]

the game in particular is America's Army Ops. and i have soon found out he is getting a IRQ_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL BSOD Category, i know these are hardware based and ive instructed him to thoroughy clean and check his computer. he says there are no skips and stops, it just throws up a BSOD when he opens AA: O

[NDC]

I doubt it's going to be a significant increase in performance with DDR3. I mean, look on DDR2. The megahertz really mean nothing if you were to try to compare it to other video cards. There are other factors...

I'm just curious as to how much of a gain will be seen when AGP becomes obsolete and PCI-Express which will be happening this year. I have a good feeling we won't see much of an increase in the real world.


The higher latency on DDR2 is what kills it. Fast DDR will surpass DDR2 performance.

[Shyguy]

What exactly is the main catch to DDR3 then, Ive been seeing ads around the net about the new cards from nVidia's partners for like a month now, its like its something not revoltionarily new but something of a major improvement? I know alot of it may just be marketing hype but still, there usually has to be something behind the hype to back it up?

As to your comments on PCIE, I agree about that, that the first 1 or 2 gen of PCIE cards will mainly be gimmicky stuff, that it'll be at least a genration before we see anything that can truly rival AGP 8x, DX will have to be upped, so will software to take advantage of it & games will have to be more complex & stuff too. Hopefully with the extra bandwidth, card makers like nVidia, won't just crank uo the speed of their cards (fps) but actually add extra abilities of their cards along with ATI's route of improving existing image quality.

[NDC]

Yep, a gimmic it may be.... Another useless number like we used to see with AGP 2x 4x 8x... 1x to 2x was the most significant increase. However, anything beyond 2x has been disappointing...