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NDC
04-01-2003, 8:53 AM
Three-fourths of computer software security experts at major companies surveyed by Forrester Research do not think Microsoft products are secure, the technology research company said Monday.

While 77 percent of respondents in the information technology field said security was a top concern when using Windows, 89 percent still use the software for sensitive applications, Cambridge, Massachusetts-based Forrester said in a report titled "Can Microsoft Be Secure?"

The survey polled 35 software security experts at companies with at least $1 billion in revenue.

Forrester analyst Laura Koetzle said that "too few firms are taking responsibility for securing their Windows systems."

Koetzle said that 40 percent of firms were not planning to make security improvements themselves and that only 59 percent of those who suffered security attacks have made changes to the way they use Microsoft software.

Microsoft, the world's largest software maker, launched a company-wide initiative more than a year ago to make its software more secure and trustworthy in the face of attacks that targeted the vulnerability and wide reach of its software.

"We understand that achieving the goals of Trustworthy Computing will not be an easy task and that it will take several years, perhaps a decade or more before systems are trusted the way we envision," a Microsoft spokesman said in an e-mailed response to the report.

"We are working to address existing security concerns, including patch management...This is only the beginning and we are confident that customers will continue to see additional progress over time."

In the most dramatic incidents, such as the Nimda and SQL Slammer worms that exploited holes in Microsoft software, patches were available from the Redmond, Wash.-based company well before the attacks happened. In many cases, however, the patches were not implemented by system administrators and engineers.

Koetzle noted that while Microsoft's patches for the last nine high-profile Windows security holes predated such attacks by an average of 305 days, too few customers applied the fixes because "administrators lacked both the confidence that a patch won't bring down a production system and the tools and time to validate Microsoft's avalanche of patches."

Microsoft argues that it is doing a better job of informing customers about security holes in its software, but many customers are questioning the amount of work needed to implement additional patches and fixes to Microsoft's software.

When the SQL Slammer worm, which slowed Web traffic worldwide and shut down automatic teller machines across the United States, hit in January, Microsoft had already provided a security patch that the worm targeted in July of 2002. But because the patch was difficult to install, Microsoft scrambled to create an installation program that would make it easier for companies to implement the patch.

"Microsoft must develop new simple, consistent tools for applying patches and mitigating security platform risks," Koetzle said. She added that IT professionals should work more closely with Microsoft and companies that write software for Windows to make sure computer systems are more secure, instead of blaming Microsoft for security breaches.

NeoStarO1
04-01-2003, 8:06 PM
I voted no I can't trust them.
I got XP Pro on my lappy again (since i figured out how to get my partitions iwth the restore disk)

Once I had it all installed I ran adware and spybot search and destroy and cleaned out all the spyware. particularly alexa. and short while later (no updates through windows update) i find alexa on my lappy again. :mad: how it got back on I have no clue. I have auto updates disabled as well as a few other things that call home. I know there are more however they are hidden and I really wish I knew what they were so I can disable those as well. so if anyone has a link of all the known ways XP calls home pls let me know so I can do somethign about them. hehehe.

The other machines. my kids (offline) both run 2kpro.
Both of our office machines run 2kpro as well and I prefer 2kpro over all the other OS's.

NDC
04-01-2003, 9:47 PM
Well, trust or no trust, I really like XP and plan to keep using it. I really don't have a whole lot of things MS will want to spy on so... As for your comment on Alexa returning, that sounds very odd. I've only had to remove mone once...

blackwatch
04-02-2003, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by NDC
Well, trust or no trust, I really like XP and plan to keep using it. I really don't have a whole lot of things MS will want to spy on so... As for your comment on Alexa returning, that sounds very odd. I've only had to remove mone once...

ive had to remove it several times. but i agree with you NDC.

GohanSSJ
04-02-2003, 6:21 AM
Like it or not but you don't have much choice, ofcourse people still say linux etc but linux is nowhere as easy to use as windows xp.

NDC
04-02-2003, 8:33 AM
Well, I would say that Linux just takes time getting used to is all. The problem for me with Linux is the limited software availability.... And no I don't want to use GIMP or Chimp or whatever the heck that applications is.. LOL :D

Mntsnow
04-02-2003, 9:17 AM
I voted "couldnt care" Personally I dont trust ANY OS manufacturer. Beleive me any opensource developer could slip something in and unless you have access to the source files and then even know how to code you might be running "spy" stuff as well on *nix. I personally use both MS and *nix. Heck last night I finished converting one of my dev boxes over to FreeBSD 5.0 to check it out... and I can tell you it is NO WHERE as easy to use mandrake or redhat and neither of those two os' are as intuitive to use as windows (weither that be 9x,2k or xp).

EndobioticChaos
04-08-2003, 1:09 PM
Oh sure I trust them. Almost as far as I could throw them in fact.

Idigguns
08-30-2003, 11:32 AM
No, I don't trust 'em. I'll keep using their products though, at least until something better comes along.

AndyL
08-09-2004, 6:56 AM
Don't trust anybody who wants to sell you somthing.

ThRoNkA
08-09-2004, 11:04 AM
Actually, I disagree with AndyL. I am sales floor sales man for Garland Camera and I test everything out and see what each camera does and what they don't do. I try to help my customers. But I know there are some sales reps on the floor who are trying to get comission (see Frys for an example) and don't want to help their customers. Remember, not everyone out there is untrustable.

jad1097
08-09-2004, 3:12 PM
I am with Andy on this.

AndyL
08-09-2004, 5:34 PM
Originally posted by ThRoNkA
Actually, I disagree with AndyL. I am sales floor sales man for Garland Camera and I test everything out and see what each camera does and what they don't do. I try to help my customers. But I know there are some sales reps on the floor who are trying to get comission (see Frys for an example) and don't want to help their customers. Remember, not everyone out there is untrustable.

I used to sell and it's really hard to sell a comparable anything that doesn't have a spiff attached to it.Even when you don't make commision.

dunbar
04-28-2005, 9:08 PM
Too late to vote ' No, I can't trust them', but my comment is that M$ is making every effort to ensure that once a machine tastes a Microsoft product, then Microsofts licenses will rule your life AND the hardware until MICROSOFT dies.
Also, when I heard how heavy handed Microsoft was in an aussie school that had accepted donated PCs, I really felt that was too much.
Then there is the Microsoft Knowledge base 'user feedback' box, limited to 85 characters...
and lets not forget the day when I saw Windows 3.11, 95 and 98, all on the shelf at the same time at the local Staples, all retailing for between $84 and $89.
Or how about the 'phoning home' tricks that Media Player was doing - telling Microsoft every title that was played by Windows Media player... And the 'all your license r belong to us' license trickery that Windows Media player placed deep in WMP EULA land....
Or the megabytes of unrelated code that was called an 'easter egg' that was embedded in Excel 97 (it was called the 'hall of tortured souls', IIRC)... Don't forget the Windows Messenger holes and the all TCP/IP Ports are open by default....


Am I too much, or what? ;-)

earthling
06-18-2005, 2:26 AM
I didn't vote because it doesn't really matter, you have to use something so you choose the lesser of the evils and or the one you like best to work with. I agree with NDC though I like XP, so I pay my money and take my chances.

serlv ( Zippy )
11-14-2005, 10:28 PM
This a trick question?