Windows Vista

[Mntsnow]

Are you upgrading?

[roadtech]

Voted yes, I'm getting copies for the 2 dells for free. it was part of the deal when I got them.

[Roadkill]

No way. I'm not spending that kind of money on an operating system.

[goatieau]

Voted Yes...Only if I can get a freebie copy

Can't afford to shell out the bucks for a new OS, especially seeing as I would probably need to upgrade my vid card

[davidw]

I'll be getting a free copy for the office - because of the job I'm in (tech support) I'll need to know the OS in order to troubleshoot problems. As for home system... I think I'd like to put XP and Vista side-by-side for gaming comparison, but other than that, the jury is going to be out for a long while. It took me a year to upgrade to XP, but I'm not fond of a lot of Vista issues atm such as IE7.

[Brenda]

I already have Vista Ultimate. I've been testing it since June 2005. I use it as my primary system. Works great and I have an older 2.4 P4 home built system. I've done the upgrades as tests but I always like to have a clean install, instead of an upgrade.

[Win2Kuser]

I'll be getting it asap. I've got an MCE oem copy on order, that comes with a free upgrade of premium (well, you pay £8 for carriage) when it's released, so I get the best of both worlds...

I love Vista! It took me a whilt to get around it and how to do things like change the resolution for example (right click on the desktop doesn't work anymore), plus the control panel takes some getting used to. I've been using RC1 exclusively on a machine here since it came out, and I'm quite used to it now. I found gaming on it slightly better than XP, probably due to better memory management (Microsoft are finally learning!), and general drive access and load times are faster too. No Frigging Sata drivers on a floppy is nice too - unless that was just this particular drive, I had to do that with XP on that drive when I installed that :dontknow:

The 3D interface just rounds it all off for me, it looks pretty, plays well, and so far hasn't crashed once - can't ask for much more than that :D

I do get the impression that XP has gradually slowed down since Vista started the Beta trials, it looks like MS have been loading tons of crap into their updates to slow it down. One machine here has updates turned off (mission critical stats stuff :)), another same spec machine here has them turned on and you can see the difference between the two!

Yeah, IE7 isn't nice, but thankfully, Firefox works fine and thats my internet program of choice anyway.

The only think I'm not too sure on with Vista is what the differences are between the 5 or 6 different version. The premium version I'm getting as an upgrade, I still don't know for sure if that comes with the aeroglass stuff and the multimedia plugin program :dontknow:
Perhaps someone in the know could enlighten me???
TIA

[edit]Okay, nevermind, I got a comparison list here...
http://www.cucirca.com/2006/12/07/the-differences-between-vista-flavours/

[ThRoNkA]

I am getting mine free. My work.. the place with orange and police looking computer guys.. *cough* is allowing agents to try Vista. I am one of the lucky few to get a RTM Vista ultimate when it comes out the 30th.

If it wasn't for that freebie, I wouldn't even consider it.

[Shyguy]

I'll get a copy, only when I need to... when games start coming out requiring DX10, then I'll maybe spring for a copy, but the dang price of the different ones is insane, compared to past Windows OS's... whats worse, the one thats supposedly going to be the "best" for gamers is the Ultimate Version, of course the most expensive... its bad enough we have to spend a fortune to keep our hardware up to date, now we gotta sacrifice an arm & a leg & cash in on a few vital organs & a half gallon of blood to afford that...

but like I said, I'm pretty much only going to get it when I have to... XP is doing excellent for me as it is... might even be worth it to get a pre-built game rig, next time, get Vista Ultimate bundled with it...?

maybe on my next game rig (completely new one) I'll spring for it, unless I somehow can afford it sometime this year...

Well, I guess I was thinking for full version... forgot I could always go the "upgrade" route like I've done since Windows 3.11, that might be a bit more affordable :lol:

but from that list winkie posted, looks like I might be able to get away with the Home Premium version... though not exactly sure what the "Ultimate Extras" is on that list?

Maybe Brenda could clue us in on that?

[mickwish]

I see no current need fro me to upgrade my windows boxes. Vista may be pretty but it doesn't have any new functionality I can't do without. So, if I get a freebie copy, sure, but otherwise, not interested.

[madfish]

NO..
Only if I am forced too.
look how long it took me to finally get a replacment mainboard.
I can't afford $400 USD each for two operating systems. I will stay with XP.
Short reason why: DMR and a few other reasons.

Edit: oppss I ment DRM, got that backwards :)

[Brenda]

Windows Ultimate Extras is not out yet. It should go into Beta testing soon and as far as what it has, you can read some about it here:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/07/placeholder-microsoft-unveils-ultimate-extras-for-vista-ulti
Until it comes out, we never know what will it be like. I'm not allowed to say much until it is complete.

[Ski52]

I am hoping to buy the upgrade as soon as it comes out. I've been using Vista since March 06 as a beta tester. My job all but mandates I stay, or try to stay ahead of the technology ballgame.
I understand the upgrade procedure is going to upset a lot of folks. As I read it - the upgrade will only install from within XP which means you must have a validated legal copy of XP running. No more borrowing or copying a friends legal CD. The upgrade CD is not bootable. What I've read dosen't address upgrading from 2K.
Quite a price difference for the Ultimate version - 259 vs 399 for the stand alone full version. The upgrade will probably offer to do a complete OS wipe being as it is not compatible with XP, but they claim you can keep your installed programs??
A lot of this stuff is available at Micro$oft, and lots more at most 'pooter oriented sites/forums.

We'll know more in about 10 days :)

[ThRoNkA]

Windows Ultimate Extras is not out yet. It should go into Beta testing soon and as far as what it has, you can read some about it here:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/07/placeholder-microsoft-unveils-ultimate-extras-for-vista-ulti
Until it comes out, we never know what will it be like. I'm not allowed to say much until it is complete.

Amazing when a guy from the Dallas Microsoft campus allows you to look at the product: its like what Wikipedia says:

Windows Ultimate Extras: The Ultimate Edition of Windows Vista provides access to extra games and tools, available through Windows Update. This replaces the Microsoft Plus! software bundle that was sold alongside prior versions of Windows.


* Windows DreamScene, a utility that allows videos to be used as desktop backgrounds.
* BitLocker and EFS Enhancements, two tools (Windows BitLocker Drive Preparation Tool and Secure Online Key Backup) that facilitate the use of security features in Windows Vista.
* Hold 'Em Poker Game, a version of Texas hold 'em.
* Group Shot.

[Shyguy]

so in other words, not much really worth it, like usual, spend 20 or 30 bucks on The Plus package with each release of windows & get a few piddly things...

from that list you put Thronka, half of those seem like they should come with the $400 version of Vista anyways LOL...

[Brenda]

From what I understand, Extras will be an upgrade as long as you have Vista Ultimate and there won't be a charge.

[ThRoNkA]

so in other words, not much really worth it, like usual, spend 20 or 30 bucks on The Plus package with each release of windows & get a few piddly things...

from that list you put Thronka, half of those seem like they should come with the $400 version of Vista anyways LOL...

ill be honest.. I told myself I would never go to vista but once I got more research done in the last 20 minutes I might go towards it. I am worried about driver support on my mobo though.

Video card is OK! Nvidia has new drivers.
VIA has new chipset drivers.
Marvell Semiconductor has new drivers.
Canon has released new drivers for the LiDE 25 and Ip6220D printer.

SoundMAX is not indicating new drivers.
Promise is not indicating new drivers for the 320 Raid controller.

Any ideas?

[Plum Ugly]

NO!!! Too bloated and not enough programs

[ThRoNkA]

NO!!! Too bloated and not enough programs

The more research I do, the more I see that memory mangement is better.

However, the CES Keynote is REALLY NICE! Shows some features in action.
http://www.microsoft.com/winme/0701/29031/CES.asx

[Brenda]

There shouldn't be many problems with drivers unless you use the 64-bit version. The drivers for that version aren't all out yet.

[ThRoNkA]

There shouldn't be many problems with drivers unless you use the 64-bit version. The drivers for that version aren't all out yet.

Thanks for the update Brenda. I will go for it. I will just buy it later on after it comes out so the traffic winds down esp on activation.

[Centurion]

Well - I have been running a beta vista for more than 6 months - I don't know if I will upgrade - I did a clean install on my big rig - and the foorprint was larger than I like.

It now runs on an older machine - and yeh - it has new bells and whisltes - I'll look at it later - I need an overclocker for video to make it run well, so it may take some time to iron out the small problems I have with it

No MB to run it on an A64 - C

[paul9]

Only if I score a free copy. Which is highly unlikely.
I never even got round to installing my beta version.

[Win2Kuser]

I won't be upgrading my machines, theres just too many of them, at £50 odd quid each, it would just me well over a grand, not much point when what they have now works fine...

It looks to me that MS have dropped the prices of the new Vista, I can get the Premium version for a shade over £50 when XP Home and MCE are retailing over £70 for the OEM version.

I really like it, so much that I've got one (premium version) on order (should get it tuesday). It's not quite enough to make me change my name, but it is pretty darn good...

Running the same rig on dual boot, I'm getting around 2 to 3 fps more on Vista than I do with XP. The whole thing appears smoother too, opening My Computer for example is much quicker on Vista than XP as is boot-up time. It really looks like MS have taken their time getting this right rather than just chucking it out to the mnasses...

We'll see, watch the internet crawl to a halt once Vista is released to the regular joe bloggs and everyone hits the forums looking for answers...
:D

[Centurion]

hmmm - well my experience was 40fps slower - with latest nvidia drivers - but that was 6 months ago -

BTW - the Beta 2 is valid until June 07 - I believe - at least thats what I saw in my email box from MS.

I may try again?

[Cowboybooter]

I'm looking around at deals. I'd like Ultimate on a full version retail DVD, see how the pricing goes!

:)

Bob

[Vester]

I beta tested from the beginning, jumped through the hoops of bug reporting, and was overlooked for a free copy. I went to the Vista introduction at BestBuy in Charlotte, NC, and won a copy of Vista Ultimate which is "in the mail".

[davidw]

Here you go Bob, http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26440 - all you'd need is for someone on this side of the pond to mail it to you.

[Win2Kuser]

Isn't that the oem (system builder) versions?

The OEM version of ultimate is around £110 in the UK which would be about the same $200 plus the import duty etc.

Full retail version of ultimate though is around £330 :eek:
Just not worth the extra £'s just to have the full retail over the oem IMO

[Shyguy]

Prices on Vista Ultimate, aren't too bad, at least for the OEM versions... less than $200 here... http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA7252242# just a hair over $200 when you factor shipping...

that link is for 64-bit version, 32-bit is same price.

after some of the kinks are worked out, I might spring for it... a full OEM version & not an upgrade one, I don't want to ruin use of my 2 XP Home Upgrades... incase I want to make a couple more PC's :D

[crossedup]

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

I posted that elsewhere, ill post it here as well. M$ is looking to really corner the market with this O/S, keep your XP licenses, you might need them. I just read the whole thing, a lot of it is on content pulled from M$ site first. VERY interesting.

Ill be getting one or 2 rigs with it but that read changed my opinion quite a bit.

[Win2Kuser]

There's nothing new in that article, in fact, many of those comments/thoughts have been around since before the beta versions of Vista started appearing.

I don't think it's a major issue, MS have the basics in place, but by the time HD is really ready, and lets be fair that won't be for at least another couple of years, they will have those issues sorted. The monopolies commision would be on them like a ton of sh1t if any of that were true, that is unless they are in on it as is most of hollywood.

I've just built a htpc using the 64 bit version of Vista Premium, so far, all of my ripped music works, my saved video including ripped dvd's and AVI's etc work fine, in fact, everything I had saved from previous versions of windows works fine. Audio is through an SP/DIF connection to an av amp and all is working perfectly even several hd video files that I had stored from XP. So far the only thing I can't get going is the VFD screen at the front of the case, but thats not a windows issue, thats down to imon (drivers are downloading as I type).

Microsoft are trying to close the gap though and they will do all they can to control as much as they can, sadly, hollywood are all in on it too and they are all getting their own slice of the cake when it comes to copy protection and media rights etc. In short, there's pretty much nothing we can do about it, people will still buy Vista and companies like Dell will ram it down everyones throat whether they like it or not.

[crossedup]

Probably so, I had heard all the previous hoopla but I hadnt really looked into it.

Glad to hear from someone running it that all is well for the moment anyway. Im going to have it going on a machine within the week.

[Ski52]

Welllll - I got it installed! I bought the Ultimate upgrade - kinda stiff - after tax was 275.00 and change. Outfreakinrageous!!!

Gotta say I'm not too happy with it at the moment. I used the Beta version since March last year, but it was on a 'second' box. I installed the real copy on the main duallie. The first thing that irks me is - on the second box, I got a 128M ATI 9550 vid card DirX 9c compatible no problems. Had a 2.6 rating - 2G processor, 512M mem, 128M vid card. (memory was the 2.6 holdback) Figured with the main box, I'd be much better off - NOT!! Only got a 1.0 rating - dual 2.8G processors, 2G mem, 256M ATI 9600 DirX 9c compatible card!! Says the 1 comes from the graphics compatibility!! More research required on that one.
Only 1 of my 3 printers are recognized - got a HP 4X6 photo printer - OK. Got a Lexmark P3150 all in one - NoGo - got a small Casio CD/DVD printer - NoGo. Didn't like my onboard NIC (Linksys). Dosen't see my ATI TV Tuner thingie - numbers illude me at the moment. Will NOT install Part Magic 8.02 so I'm stuck with a 15G system partition on a 160G drive (at the moment I am FUBARed). Keeps referring me to Symantic for an upgrade - waaaay down in the fine print Symantic mentions Part Magic 8.0 for 69.00 - thats it, no upgrades, patches or nothing...... Won't recognize it's own M$ fingerprint KB and wireless mouse - incompatible software.....

Haven't touched the optical drives yet..

Video is much clearer - same monitor - 19" Envision LCD.....

I'm looking at reinstalling XP until some of the driver issues are worked out.

Bill Gates, or his successor suckered me on this one................................;(

[Shyguy]

LOL, remind any one of Win95?

[LP]

I'd like to just to see what it's got, but it'll have to wait til I have some money to spare and that may be a long time.
I guess I'm not missing that much.:bunny:

[davidw]

My wife just got a laptop with Vista preinstalled on it (along with a bunch of other junk). After removing Norton and 80 other apps, the machine finally ran. After a couple days of using it (she got it Friday), she just told me that 75% of it she does NOT like and 25% of it she does like. One thing that I noticed personally from uninstalling things is that (other than having to search for the Add/Remove Programs [now listed under Programs] the system is 10 times the resource hog XP is.
Comparing Vista to XP, Vista uses resources (53% on idle of 1gb of memory) except much greater. The last words my wife spoke were, "If things don't change, I'm having you order another copy of XP." I did notice that the machine scored a 3.7 on the ratings system though, which is odd for a laptop.

[WireNine]

Voted yes. Ordered my copy, it should arrive in the mail in a few weeks. Since it's one of those express vista upgrade programs from PC manufacturers it's going to take some time :)

[Carl D]

voted, i may get it for the laptop due to it going to other networks.

[Brenda]

One thing you'll find is that it takes a while too get the indexing adjusted. After that the resource speed up. You can turn indexing off and it's faster sooner.

[crossedup]

Tuning the swap file is a chore to find as well as turning off system restore, once done it does help. ( seems to ).

For the average, or new user, I can see this as a real turnoff. Hard for me to find some things and im used to it. These things are not as intuitive as they used to be, everything is moved to unusual locations. Average user will be overwhelmed.

For me, at this point, ive got it configured okay and its looking good.

:wave:

[Win2Kuser]

I think MS have said 'Hey look, this isn't just a glammed up older OS, this is a brand new one' and have then moved everything all over the place. Some things really do seem to be in odd locations and finding some things is a nightmare, you look where you think they should be, but theres nothing there.

Where they had things in XP was pretty good, I don't see the need to move networking stuff and control panel stuff about and renaming stuff.

Still, I remember reading people moaning about XP when that came out saying pretty much the same things :)

It took me the longest time to get used to XP, I had used NT and 2K exclusively for years, then when I moved over to XP, everything seemed different. Of course now, XP is the norm, give it a year or so, and Vista will be the same.

I think it's surprising really how Dell (in the UK at least) are still offering XP on their desktops and lappys if you want it as an option, rather than just forcing everyone to use Vista. When XP arrived, ME/2K was dropped like a hot potato, it was XP or nothing...

I'm using Vista on 2 machines here now and a HTPC, and I have to say, I really like it. It takes some setting up, but once done, they have played nicely ever since...

[crossedup]

Everything is nice to a point but M$ has entered the land of linux until the drivers are sorted out, as in, all looks pretty and works quite well....except....

This has always been my beef with linux, if your machine is a few years old, you are fine, all your stuff will work and work well. If you have a new machine that you have paid decent $$ for, you are out of luck. You have to let it age and try again.

At this point vista is the same ( at least for me ), and to think people pay for this.

I say this because.....

This same machine I tried linux on about 2 months ago, knoppix to be exact. It didnt get all the same things as vista hasnt got right now. Namely audio and I cant get it to go to a screensaver and then come back, have to restart it to use it again. Linux was about the same way, tells me it is getting the same components close but wrong.

Ive got a OEM version of premium on the way, like it as not I have to work on these idiotic things so I need to know them, sometimes I think McDonalds might actually be a better alternative.

[Win2Kuser]

I've found the complete opposite. New components have vista drivers whereas older stuff doesn't. I've just built a AM2 X2 machine for a client, the mobo came with vista drivers for the onboard sound/raid/sata etc, NVidia have vista drivers as we all know for the video, and everything installed first time without a hitch.

I tried to put Vista on one of my older S754 machines, and I still can't find drivers for the audio and onboard video. I managed to get it up and running albeit without sound by fitting an FX5200 NVidia card in, but RAID is out of the question (even though it did find sata drivers), advanced power control (probably the same problem you've got with the screen saver), and as I say, the sound is a no go.

I think peripheral manufacturers are getting lazy, most won't support *Nix, and they are only releasing Vista drivers on new product lines. If your device happens to be supported by MS i.e. the drivers are pre-installed with Vista then all well and good, but if they are not, then tough luck really.

Considering Vista has been in the planning and beta stage for several years now, and considering that the beta versions were available to everyone (including peripheral manufacturers), I think it's piss poor that there are not a plethora of drivers available. It's not like MS said, "Right, we have a new os available, it comes out tomorrow"!

[crossedup]

I had it previously on a 754 machine, installed it twice on the same one to be exact. The first time about 3 days after I installed it, it suddenly found the drivers for the sound via live update and it worked fine for a few months after that. I formatted and reinstalled some time later and it never would get the drivers again. :cookoo:

In this machines ( or vistas ) defense now, I am complaining about drivers but I havent actually looked either so its really my fault for now. I figured out turning off restore and I finally googled and figured out turning off hibernation, I hate that one. Not as straight forward as it was in XP.

http://blogs.msdn.com/briankel/archive/2006/11/26/how-to-disable-hibernation-on-windows-vista.aspx

All in all, its a work in progress and I will get used to it.

[Axel]

I'm in no hurry - let 8 million OTHER users help Microsoft develop patches for their code..... - plus I have no hardware worthy of running it in any acceptable manner at the moment AND have no desire to replace 90% of my entertainment software...... Heck - I still have a 98SE machine running for pete's sake.... So Microsoft doesn't need any of my money for 2 years or so.....

[macguy]

I'm sorry, I shouldn't be on this forum because I hate Windows so much but anyway...

Don't upgrade! Because...

A) It probably costs Microsoft about 10 cents for a CD and a plastic case while they charge you stupid money for it.

B) 3 words... Allow or Deny... EVERY ____ing THING YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT'S ALLOW OR DENY!!! You get fed up pretty quickly.

Go to apple.com/ca/getamac and watch the "Security" commercial.

[Shyguy]

whats this allow or deny garbage? I keep hearing about it all over? Is it not possible to turn that junk off in the OS, just as it is in XP currently?

[Win2Kuser]

UAC and yes it's possible to turn it off.

No disrespect to our new guy here, but why is it that mac owners always slate Microsoft. Pretty much all of the worlds computers are Microsoft windows based machines, so obviously they get the target. If it was the other way around then so too would the slatings.

I don't have a mac and know nothing about them, but I wouldn't slate a mac owner just because of something I saw on a windows commercial.

The biggest thing that is always picked up is security; If you are going to write a virus, would you waste time making one for less than 5% of the worlds computers? Of course not.

Vista itself, whilst not without problems is a great OS, once you tweak it the way you like it, it's faster, looks nicer and is the next evolutionary step in the MS windows project. I have Vista home premium on my HTPC, I haven't as yet had to install anything, just chucked it all together, installed the OS, and that was it, sound, lan, video and tuner cards all configured and ready to go (I did make sure everything was vista compatible first though) and in 2 months of 24/7 operation it hasn't needed to be rebooted or anything, it's just got on with what it should be doing.

[macguy]

Well, it's just that once you've used a Windows machine for a while and then you switch over to Mac, you realize how superior it is compared to Windows (sorry if it's sounds like I'm being smug).

I think that if there was complete cross-compatibility and everyone got a chance to use a Mac for a couple weeks AND Macs were cheaper! many more people would use it.

[Brenda]

I guess I should switch to a MAC since their upgrades are only 10 cents.

[Shyguy]

LOL, Macs are not cheaper... used ones on Ebay yes (even some of those are questionable as far as price goes)... but cheaper, no.... Copy of the OS only costs a little less than Windows, & the Computer itself, usually costs upwards of a Grand or more... at least with the old Power PC CPU's they were, one of the reasons I never bought a decent G4 or G5...

Over all performance wise, I can build a "PC" for half of what a comparable Mac would cost.

[macguy]

Sorry, I meant IF Macs were cheaper. You can get a Mac Mini for $600 now so they aren't upwards of a grand.

[macguy]

And OS and and all, there's no way you could build a comparable PC for $300.

[crossedup]

You would be surprised :leftwink:

Thats the joy of pc's, all the spare parts

[macguy]

Maybe in spare parts but a Mac Mini isn't made out of "spare parts".

[Win2Kuser]

Thats the whole point though, you can build a comparable spec pc out of spare parts for next to nothing.

[crossedup]

That was my point, yes. Of course, with macs going intel things should change there, at least somewhat. I use spare mac parts in my windows machines as well, they have been mostly interchangeable for a few years now.

Im not dissing macs in any way, dont take it that way. My uncle has been doing graphic art on macs his whole life and with his results they cant be bad. Ive messed with them a few times and they werent very hard to figure out.

http://www.tomcross-artist.com/index2.html

We are off subject anyway. I gave up on Vista prematurely a few weeks ago and have just been waiting for a good break to try it again. I got an extra gig 'o memory for the rig in the meanwhile and im going to run it off a SATA drive this time and use the release version, I was still using RC1 at the time. I complained about no printer but I never did check to see if there was a driver for it, cant expect it to find everything, XP doesnt either.

Other than that I miss using it, on the right hardware, with a wide screen, it is a very nice O/S. The wide screen does seem to be a big help.

[SuperLOZ]

Youd have a snowballs chance in Miami of seeing me getting vista. I tried a beta I got, and it sucked, it took up 13 GB of HD space! And not to mention my brothers computer, which has crashed countless times. Oh, and when will games actually require DX10?:2guns: :****:

[SuperLOZ]

Do I overreact about stuff I dont like?

[Win2Kuser]

Vista is very much like XP when that came out. How many people said you'd have a rats chance in hell of them installing it? A few years on and how many people use it?

Beta version of vista were just that, BETA which means it's still under development and problems are going to be there.

13 gigs is about right for a vanilla install, but most of that can be freed up by turning off system restore.

DX10 is just around the corner, Cysis being the most obvious one. Okay, you will still be able to use DX9 with it, but it will be optimised for DX10. I remember people saying the very same thing with DX8 and then DX9.

Fact is, things move on and XP has had it's day, the new kid is on the block and it ain't going anywhere ;)

I've personally got final release Vista installed on 3 machines one of which is a HTPC not a single one has caused me any issues, in fact the HTPC is a gazilion times more stable than XP MCE could ever hope to be, I didn't even need to install a single thing, SATA, video card, sound, lan, tuner card etc all installed automatically - the way it should be. Obviously I made sure that the components were compatible with vista.

I'm pretty sure than in 10 years or whatever time, we'll all be saying that we ain't gonna upgrade to MS's latest OS as it won't offer anything more than Vista etc etc etc.
etc...
...and so it will all begin again :)

Heck, I can still remember the fuss surounding Windows 95 when that was due for release :lol:

[Shyguy]

LOL, that reminds me... one of the guys from my online clan posted this in the jokes section the other day :lol:

"Vista is a 64 bit tweak of a 32 bit extension to a 16 bit user interface for an 8 bit operating system based on a 4 bit architecture from a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition."


:rofl: :lol: thought some might get a kick out of it :D

[crossedup]

Ive done the actual retail install on mine and my wifes, results have been much better this time. Only problems still are networking and as the printer is networked, I can use it either.

Everytime I browse to another computer and put in the user name and password stupid vista has to add the vista computers name in front of the user name I just input and, of course, then it wont work as that is no longer the user name. I thought it was a domain fluke or something on my install but the wifes is the same way.

Ive got the old hard drive with the XP install on it still in the rig and can switch boot drives in BIOS if needed but so far ive been better than a week and havent had to. Like ive said before, this o/s with the right hardware ( and a widescreen LCD, IMO ) is really quite nice.

[crossedup]

Okay, slight update. The network thing is solved, kind of a scary solution really. Now I dont have to type a user name or password for any machine, even ones I do need to with XP. Its like I have ultimate rights. :worry: :worry: Fine here but on a public network, I can see abuse abound.

Solves the problem for now. The printer thing is still ongoing but with VNC and unlimited rights I can control and print from any other computer with a printer so its a temporary work around.

Still going and its getting better. If you have a rig that will run it, join the fray. :)

[goatieau]

LOL, that reminds me... one of the guys from my online clan posted this in the jokes section the other day :lol:

"Vista is a 64 bit tweak of a 32 bit extension to a 16 bit user interface for an 8 bit operating system based on a 4 bit architecture from a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition."


:rofl: :lol: thought some might get a kick out of it :D

:lol: That is an absolute gem Shyguy...thanks for sharing :D

[Gee-Q]

Got Ultimate allready.

It seems more responsive and quicker with the gaming as well, got a few issues to abuse and see what comes up.

Hibernation settings has been removed, has to be done command line. Other than that, the gaming rig runs it well. Wanna get another box loaded and see what it does with the lower specs.

[burnin8r]

I would have liked a 5th option on the poll, something like "I may need vista in the future (SP1+), but I am in no hurry to upgrade." The direct x 10 games arent out yet, so I m fine with XP, and hopefully I plan to dual boot vista + ubuntu/kubuntu in the future.

[dusty]

I've had a copy of ultimate since January. I installed it on my 3000 and it did fine until I went to find my scanner drivers...Microtek says the drivers will not be released until July or August. No Problem...But until I get used to it on other machines , I will stick to my XP pro.

[ThRoNkA]

I was using vista just fine till I started getting BSODs with no reference to drivers at all: Stop code 0x000000EA. Its a driver error but I zero filled the drive and did a reinstall and it stops in the middle with the same stop code. Doesn't finish the install.

I am baffled right now with it. It was working fine. All hardware passes. Vista needs some work.

[Vester]

Error message: STOP 0x000000EA THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293078)

[Win2Kuser]

I was using vista just fine till I started getting BSODs with no reference to drivers at all: Stop code 0x000000EA. Its a driver error but I zero filled the drive and did a reinstall and it stops in the middle with the same stop code. Doesn't finish the install.

I am baffled right now with it. It was working fine. All hardware passes. Vista needs some work.

I've heard of this a few times. sometimes, Vista cannot detect the video properly or a generic/plug and play monitor...

Try unplugging your monitor from the computer once the install starts and see if that does the trick.

I've also got into the habbit of turning OFF automatic updates. Several times now, vista has downloaded and installed a newer driver which has borked something or interfered with a different driver for something else.

Once it is installed and working, leave well alone! Thats my motto :)

[ThRoNkA]

Ill try BUT! I installed Windows Server 2003 Small Business Edition R2 :P

Funny thing is nothing has changed! I installed it the same way as before. I am not sure whats going on.

[crossedup]

I finally got the printer situated a month or so ago. Its a konica-minolta magicolor 2430DL network printer and I had vista drivers for it but vista would never acknowledge it was actually on the network so therefore the drivers were useless as there was "no" printer.

Installed it on an xp machine and shared it, same thing. Okay, getting upset now.

Wired it directly to the vista machine and installed it that way, it actually worked. Returned it to its network home and changed the printer settings from within vista to set it to a tcp/ip port instead of the usb port. Been using it ever since.

Other than that my issues are few. I still boot into XP on the machine every other week or so but it looks a little funnier every time I do.

The 22" TFT helped as well, it suits vista to a T.

[ThRoNkA]

Error message: STOP 0x000000EA THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293078)

ironically, i am not getting that error on XP nor is it happening on installation of vista.. its just blue screens with that and nothing else.

[Vester]

The ECS P4M800PRO-M v2 has onboard video so try the installation without the video card installed. (I had no problems with an ATI X1650Pro or an nVidia 6800 XT.) Did you run the Windows Vista Hardware Assessment (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=67240B76-3148-4E49-943D-4D9EA7F77730&displaylang=en) when running XP?

Is a BIOS revision needed for your motherboard? Some require an update for Vista compatibility.

Run MemTest (http://www.memtest.org/#downiso). (Available for USB key, floppy, or CD.)

Is this the computer listed in "Thronka's System Info" shown below?

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/7088/thronkavg8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-07-07

[ThRoNkA]

The ECS P4M800PRO-M v2 has onboard video so try the installation without the video card installed. (I had no problems with an ATI X1650Pro or an nVidia 6800 XT.) Did you run the Windows Vista Hardware Assessment (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=67240B76-3148-4E49-943D-4D9EA7F77730&displaylang=en) when running XP?

Is a BIOS revision needed for your motherboard? Some require an update for Vista compatibility.

Run MemTest (http://www.memtest.org/#downiso). (Available for USB key, floppy, or CD.)

Is this the computer listed in "Thronka's System Info" shown below?

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/7088/thronkavg8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-07-07

That is the PC. I just updated the bios to the one listed 5.25.2007 Added some new features but nothing new. Disabled onboard video with the jumper.
I did MemTest86+ no errors, hitachi DFT ran without errors - no hdd problems.

Problem is: This system installed FINE without doing anything last time. I haven't changed anything since I installed Vista the last time.
XP installs fine.

I will try pulling the video and installing but I am not sure if I will be able to activate because I activated with the card installed.

I will also do the vista thing again - last time it said norton wouldn't work but I don't use it. lol


Update: ran the vista upgrade advisor only thing wrong is a program but I don't use it at all. Its just a notepad program this time. Says my system is ready but I need new drivers thats why I do a clean wipe and load with Vista.
But doesn't show anything wrong.

[Vester]

^^^^^^
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[Shyguy]

LOL, another name, same crap Spam...

wow, looks like MOds are going to have a couple notches on the ban list today...

bye bye "999" twins :)

[Mntsnow]

pulled the trigger on the 999's :)

[Win2Kuser]

So here we are coming up to the end of August, and where the F are all these 'Extra' goodies for ultimate users???
hmm, what have we got...

A card game that I don't know how to play (don't like card games like this anyway)
bit locker crap that is useless to me on my home setup.
Dreamscene fancy animated backgrounds that are STILL in beta - I can get the same thing using VLC player for free.

..and the creme de'la dreme...

I can install vista ultimate in korean and hindu (along with 14 other languages) if I so wish - whoopy doopy frigging doo!

So come on M$, where are all the 'unique softwares, services and tips'???

Actually, it's neither here nor there as I really don't like vista at all now.

I was all for Vista when it came out and actively defended it, but 8 months on (with the RTM anyway), and things are no better. There is still a lack of drivers for the 64 bit versions, the wow has gone (well that went about 5 minutes after first using it). Automatic updates are still screwing my system up - 4 times now!
Not that the wow has gone, all I have is a slower version of XP with more eye candy that half my games and apps don't work on anymore.

I think I'm going to UPgrade to XP pro...
:lol:

[Vester]

I like the Hold 'Em game, but it uses about 15% of CPU cycles and that isn't cool for a cruncher.

Lots of other people are giving MS bad blogs on the Ultimate Extras.

I just wish they'd make my COM Surrogate work right. Also, I lose my wireless connection and have to restart my computer to repair it. Nothing else will get the connection back. Nothing.