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Axel
10-25-2001, 10:39 AM
Increased airport security - increased safety - a more secure environment -

what a load of crap -

We now have more uniformed "witnesses", but essentially, very little has changed. Even most of the guardsmen and other military I've seen aren't armed with anything more than clubs.

In the past 4 years, I've traveled some 80,000 miles, mostly in the US, but also in Europe.

The only difference I've noticed is having to take my laptop out of it's case and placing it on the belt and I've been frisked exactly once in one major airport. I frequently go through smaller airports to out of the way destinations and wasn't touched in any one of those.

As far as showing ID's at every step - who's to say which ID's are fake or real - no real challenge for a well funded organization there. If the picture even comes close and the edges are frayed, who's going to stop you? No-one, because there are literally thousands of forms of "valid ID". You cannot train someone to know what is fake much less even current.

As for airport resturants, they now give you a plastic knife - almost as effective as a metal one and it doesn't show up on a metal detector.

I do have to wonder that they don't even let a disposable razor blade on a plane, but pencils and pens are a-okay - people, puncture wounds from a pencil are more deadly than a knife - they don't close and heal.....

The biggest two single "success" stories coming out of WTC are re-enforced cockpit doors and the awareness that airline passengers will no longer put up with hijackers because they can no longer have the expectation of surviving if they stay quiet little sheep...... Someone crazy or threatening stands up in the plane - they don't have to worry about the stewardess - they have to worry about being brought down and smothered by the other passengers..... It's happened already.

The overall reality of this is that flying is still the safest way to travel in most places. Extra airport security doesn't make a hoot over what we had just 3 months ago.

You are more likely to die of complications from having the flu than you are of ever being injured in an aircraft or getting anthrax....

You are more likely to be injured in a fire caused by a cigarette than you are of getting hurt within an airport.

One thing I'd love to see is the media dragged into court and charged for the panic they continue to spread and the economic effects it is having. Let the media support the hundreds of thousands who are losing their jobs. I'd say the strongest "ally" Osama has is the American media....

So stop panicing until there's something to truely be concerned about!!! But don't imagine that what's happening in airports has substantially changed in any way - it's just gotten a little slower and more annoying.

One other thing to ask. The vast majority of airport security guards - can you see them running down and taking down a determined terrorist? Get real! And that's why I call them uniformed witnesses - for the most part - that's all they are.

surrealchereal
10-26-2001, 7:54 PM
Who was that masked man?

JacobM5727
10-27-2001, 8:40 PM
would'nt want anyone taking quizno's mustard now would we
:)

Socal
10-29-2001, 10:32 AM
I think that if any hanky-panky was to be cause in flight these days, the passengers would jump to action. I know I would. I think collectively we're of a mindset that we're mad as hell and not going to take it, and we are going to do whatever is in our power to not lose our lives and the lives of others.

Look at that mentally-challenged person who stormed a cockpit a few weeks ago. The passengers were the ones who tackled and held him until the plane landed.

Granted, he was a single mentally-unstable person (and the airline was told of his condition before the flight) but the passengers didn't know this.

Axel
10-30-2001, 1:46 PM
Mental stability is a very relative concept and I'd argue that it's tied to how much a person stands to lose if they go nuts......

For those of you who have seen it - in "The Fifth Element" - they "shorten" your flight by putting you to sleep for the duration -

If only medical science would progress enough to have a sleep agent that was 100% safe......

Just think of the toddlers and bad airplane food I wouldn't have to put up with any longer!!! I'm all for that - put me in a cocoon and knock me out!!!

Axel
11-09-2001, 12:17 PM
Went through Washington DC this week - Reagen International airport southeast of DC -

The military personnel there had small-arms, but they wouldn't meet anyone's eyes and didn't seem to be paying that much attention.

The searches there were more thorough than I'd seen in other airports.

One major problem I have with putting firearms in airports or in the hands of pilots - you create an additional resource for anyone trying to take over such a place. One reason prisons don't allow the guards among the population to carry firearms is because they invariably were used by the prisoners against other guards......

By putting armed personnel in airports and on planes - you've effectively eliminated the need to smuggle such items in - you now only have to figure out how to get them away from the person who brought it in for you..... and someone determined could bide their time and needs nothing more complicated than a pencil to kill the "protector" and take away their firearm.....

I'd say lets give them modern stun-guns, not firearms - A capture of a live terrorist is much more valuable than a dead one unable to ask questions - and the possibility of friendly fire damage to people and equipment......

There's also the media/political victory of a captured terrorist to think about.....