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otheos
10-24-2001, 12:23 PM
The eternal question:
"Can I run a new ATA100 HD on my old (sic!) ATA66 controller?"

The (not so obvious) answer.

"Yes, it's backwards compatible, make sure you use tha 80core 40pin cable."

The epilogue....

"But will it be limited by the slower interface?"

The important part:

There will be absolutely no difference in performance between ATA66 and ATA100 interfaces!

ATA100 is backwards compatible with ATA66. Obviously the drive will be restricted to bursts of 66MB/s rather than 100MB/s but this has NO performance impact at all as no drive's performance reach nowhere near 66MB/s, let alone 100MB/s and bursts do not affect performance.
EDIT: don't let anyone convince you otherwise, ATA100 is hardly of any real improvement, but rather a marketing hype.

Combined bandwidth in ATA is not applicable as in SCSI:
SCSI needs as much bandwidth as possible. The fact that it has now reached 160MB/s (and soon 320MB/s) does not mean that a single drive will burst at 160MB/s and hence be fast! No! It means that when you hook up 5 hard drives that have sustained transfer rates of 30-40MB/s, they will have enough bandwith for ALL of them to send data simultaneously (ok, 5x30=150MB/s so you're within limit or there about). When you hook up a RAID array (external) with sustained rates of 100MB/s most of the bandwidth is used up. Add one more RAID array and you immediately need higher than 200MB/s bandwidth.

This is NOT the case in IDE as NO TWO devices can use the controller at the same time. So the addition of STR (sustained Transfer Rates) is not valid on IDE. When the one hard drive transfers data across, the other (slave) cannot! The max drives you may have accessing data at the same time is 2 (one per channel). So with today's IDE drives maxing STR's in the 20-40MB/s, 66MB/s is still plenty. But I hear you asking: 40+40=80MB/s so there! 66MB/s is not enough! Right? Well it's 66MB/s per channel and considering that this is a home system and not a server, the times that both drives are actually peaking in STR simultaneously for a home system are like..... few! extremely few! And then 100MB/s x 2(channels) = 200MB/s, but erm, wait, PCI 32bit 33Mhz is only 133MB/s capable.... but this is another story...

caddmannq
10-26-2001, 6:21 PM
Excellent info, as I was not aware of the bandwidth reqt's. of SCSI.

RE: IDE and ATA 33, 66, 100, I might add:

An ATA 100 drive can theoreticaly flush a 1MB cache in 1/100 sec. while the ATA 33 drive takes a whole 3/100 sec.

After that 3/100 sec. is gone, you're back to "seek & access" time as the criterion of performance.

Think anyone notices that missing 2/100 sec. durring a burst?

Axel
10-29-2001, 11:08 AM
As for the part about anyone noticing the extra 2/100sec. response -

as program sizes become more huge and more and more games come with the option of a full install to hard drive and more games graphics are vastly more complex than they were in the past - yes -

The games and competetive types definitely will notice -

But then, historically, the "gamers" and "race-drivers" have almost always been the ones who have driven the bleeding edge performance of technology, not the die-hard science types.

The thing is - don't worry about whether or not the speed is needed - if it's there - it will be used.

I'd hazard a guess that the threshold of this in information technology is when we can build a circuit that can do as much as one single human brain cell can do - We aren't even half way there yet.....

Then the interesting question becomes - when such a machine does come on-line, will it have any use for us?

As for the "if" - I'm leaving that completely out.... Some people said "if" when it came to atomic weapons, but made them anyway - even though some of the involved scientists had a real fear that setting one off might simply ignite the entire earth's atmosphere - they did it anyway....

We know what's possible by observing living brain cells in the lab - and "art" imitates life - and scientists and geeks like ourselves are artists of a sort.....

Just look where we are today with computers - Bill Gates himself uttered that he couldn't image anyone needing more than 64k for anything - that was within my life time......

Good grief - I'm waxing philisophical today -

To summarize - they will make use of the extra speed one way or the other over time.