Working?

[flea]

Can anybody post in Opera, paticualy in linux?
I get CGI errors :(
This was posted in Netscape

[whoops wrong forum]

Edited in the archaic lynx browser.

[Mntsnow]

Yes I see you :)

[Mntsnow]

Here I am in Opera

Opera 5.12
Version information
Version
5.12
Build
932
Platform
Win32
System
Windows 98
*
Java
Sun Java Runtime Environment 1.3

Registration information
Registered
Yes
Name
Mntsnow

Organization Paths Preferences
C:\PROGRAM FILES\OPERA\opera.ini
Saved windows
C:\Program Files\Opera\Opera.win
Bookmarks
C:\Program Files\Opera\Opera5.adr
*
Opera directory
C:\Program Files\Opera

Cache
C:\Program Files\Opera\Cache4

Help documents
C:\Program Files\Opera\Help
*
Plugin path
C:\Program Files\Opera\Program\Plugins
C:\PROGRAM FILES\OPERA\plugins

Seems to work ok for me


*edited in Opera to post full Details of my version*-Mntsnow-

[flea]

Links text based browser, if this works ill be damned.

I cant edit in opera either, btw.


I didnt change anything in your post but I just did this in Opera. -Mntsnow-

[flea]

Im getting "Gateway Failed" Errors (not an error page, a popup warning type thing) when i try to post.

Also, lynx occasionaly says "refresh url is not absolute" when it goes to the redirect "thank you for posting" pages, but i dont think its reltaed.

[RK]

I am still having the same problem with opera as flea is..I'll be damned if I know why..

I have the latest opera upgrade too.. If I figure it out you will be the first to know however:)

RK

[flea]

Thnaks RK

Are you in windows or linux?

Works in mozilla btw :)

[flea]

Its 6:40am here, i gotta sleep. Ill be back tomorrow. Have fun :)

Opera 5.05TP1 for Linux - 20010807 Build 030 - [5]

Copyright © 1995-2001, Opera Software. All rights reserved.

Version Information
Version : 5.05

User-Agent: Opera/5.0 (Linux 2.4.4-4GB i686; U) [en]

Unregistered version

Operating System Information
Running on : Linux
Kernel version : 2.4.4-4GB #1 Fri May 18 14:11:12 GMT 2001
Machine : i686
Node : p2

Configuration Information
Preference file : /home/flea/.opera/opera.ini
Opera directory : /home/flea/.opera
Window data storage file : /home/flea/.opera/opera.win
Hot List file : /home/flea/.opera/opera.adr
Cache directory : /home/flea/.opera/cache4
Help directory : /usr/share/opera/help/
Plugin directory : :/usr/lib/opera/plugins:/usr/lib/RealPlayer8/Plugins:/usr/lib/RealPlayer8:/opt/netscape/plugins:
Sound Information
Sound is not avaliable.
Opera uses the Network Audio System to play sounds
The latest release can be obtained from:
ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas
ftp.ncd.com/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas
This copy of Opera is dynamically linked with the Qt library.
Please verify that the library has been build with sound support.
You can download a copy of Opera witch contains a sound enabled
(static) version of Qt. Visit www.opera.com/linux for more information.
Font Information
Number of fonts available : 78
[long list of fonts]

[Mntsnow]

Thanks for the additional Info Flea...I will be trying to find an answer to this

[surrealchereal]

ok, I will sing.............

:D d/l opera for ya! If its broke, I'll find it! :D

hmmm in the winderZ version
only thing is hahaha
look at the little smilies they are all the same and the last one has 3 eyes :)
uh, sorry,
anyway the icons next to the last poster on the forum page is strange..

he he i think i may just fire up linex... tee hee
i dont need to be able to spell it first do i?

[Mntsnow]

OMG...NOOO :D

[surrealchereal]

:D
hey the smiles are ok when not editing,,

but strange the reply and new thread buttons are on the left:D
oh fun,, now where's my disk????

actually the whole page is shoved to the left..
hmmmmm

[Mntsnow]

Yes that is normal under Opera. The buttons all shift ...not a bug .

[hirschY]

running windows 2K pro, with IE 5.5 SP2
Your Mntsnow avatar is sllooowwwlllyyy moving across the screen

With Opera, right behind the IE window, the guy is doing 60MPH:eek:

But, the little smilie insert did not move the cursor to the top of the scren.


Later

[hirschY]

strange, Surreal's avatar blinks at the same rate, but your doesnt.

-edit- seems to be an Opera thing.
I looked at the other site, and many animated gifs mover REAL FAST with Opera.

Oh well, like I said, nice site!

and I love opera, just not when Surreal sings it.



ducking under desk

[surrealchereal]

well the opera for windoz is doing strange things to icons, stranger than at techimo...??

[Mntsnow]

The buttons dont move at TechIMO cause Scott must have coded it to have all the buttons on the left side.

[Mntsnow]

and look at what I just found at VB's support forums

wluke
Moderator and Support Guy

Registered: Aug 2000
Location: Lancaster, Ca.
Posts: 4044
I am posting this message in Opera 5.0.2 which is the same version I use to test Opera Compatibility at SitePointForums.com..

Here are my observances with the Opera Engine:

1) It has no support for align attributes within TABLE, TR or TD tags which are part of the HTML 4.1 recommendation. In fact all block level elements (P, DIV, BLOCKQUOTE, etc...) are supposed to support these tags. The CENTER tag has been deprecated and should no longer be used.

2) It doesn't support Javascript of a higher version than 1.1. Over the last 5 years, Netscape has released 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5 versions of Javascript.

3) It allows people to change the User Agent String and therefore may not be able to interpret code intended for another browser like Internet Explorer. Most users masquerade as Internet Explorer. Make sure your User Agent is marked as Opera and developers can get real numbers and you can get real support.

4) It doesn't have support for frames or iframes turned on by default. Also if this support is not turned on, instead of ignoring the tags and the information enclosed in them, it just puts the information at the end of the document. Usually resulting in a big mess.

5) Versions 5.10 and 5.11 cannot handle multi/enc type forms properly (the form types vbulletin uses). This is an acknowledged bug in the Opera engine.

6) Opera has the same problem all versions of Netscape has (even 6 and Mozilla) in that you cannot mix pixel and percentage widths within table elements. I can't find anything on whether this is actually allowed in the HTML recommendations but it is accepted practice.

I would like to point out that I am all for complying with the recommendations and IE 6.0 does the best job of any browser available in doing this, however there comes a time when standards are over run with accepted practice and the accepted practice should become the standard not the other way around. If the Opera developers realized this and coded their browser accordingly they would have a lot of happy customers and be able to provide better support.


For the most part, there are no problems with vBulletin and Opera. There are some formatting issues but these are really trivial and minor and to be expected when a site has to be readable in at least 5 different browsers (Netscape 4.XX, Internet Explorer 4+. Netscape 6/Mozilla, Opera 5+, and all legacy browsers)


__________________
Wayne Luke - vBulletin Support



So it is a OPERA bug...not a Forum bug :)

[flea]

Ahwell, netscape it is then. Thanks for the info :)

[RK]

So it is a OPERA bug...not a Forum bug
I hate to disagree but it is a manufactured bug by VBulletin.
It is stated clearly in his #6 statement
Opera has the same problem all versions of Netscape has (even 6 and Mozilla) in that you cannot mix pixel and percentage widths within table elements. I can't find anything on whether this is actually allowed in the HTML recommendations but it is accepted practice.
Accepted by whom you might ask..The answer is by IE but no one else it would seem. I guess the standards are M$ standards.
He then goes on to say...
I would like to point out that I am all for complying with the recommendations and IE 6.0 does the best job of any browser available in doing this, however there comes a time when standards are over run with accepted practice and the accepted practice should become the standard not the other way around.
Gee is that an add for IE or not????

M$ upgrades its browser to read certain "new" tags. Then encourages developers to use those tags therby locking out other browsers on the market from using the net effectively unless they upgrade to keep up with M$ tagging. Which is very difficult considering the money involved to do it..

Thats what I mean by a manufactured bug. They could have simply not mixed the code, it would do the same thing and all could see it.

The browser war is a very subtle thing and it is based on browser specific taging..M$ understands this very very very well. You will note there are lots of boards out there that work with all browsers when it comes to posting messages. If M$ can get them to change their code during an upgrade that only IE recognizes...well you can figure it out ;)

However that said what I dont understand is I dont have this problem at TechIMO..I assume it is the same board version..Which means there must be some way around this problem:)

RK

[Mntsnow]

So What EXACT problem are you having RK? I have NO problem here using version 5.12 of Opera...Heck...I'm posting from it right now!

[surrealchereal]

I guess the standards are M$ standards
Regardless of whos they are, everyone is affected by them.

Also, opera is not free, who will pay a lot of money for the current and then have to pay for upgrades when it just doesn't work.

sure it's a browser war, but if opera is to show place or win, they have to get on board with the race, ms haters will just use netscape ,, or just get over it.

folx are fickle

[Mntsnow]

Just talked to Scott and he mentioned that there is one "bug fix" that he did change to help support Opera browsers....I will be implementing it in a few moments

Just made the changes.....Will you two now try it in Opera and then post back here the results.

If you do have an error Please post the EXACT error message or take a screen shot of what the error is please.





bug with Opera 5.11 and Netscape 6.1
since Netscape version6.1, the fixed 170 pixel width of the left column in the Posting-table (the one with name,....) is ignored.


To repair that you just have to remove the 100% width of the right column (text, icons). If you have done that, the fixed width of the left column is displayed properly in IE5.5, NN6.1 and Opera 5.11


well the "fix" for the "table issues" is to edit the "Postbit" template and use this instead. (I've posted the complete section so other VB users with the problem can just Cut & Paste it in instead of having to find the single code "error")



<table bgcolor="{pagebgcolor}" width="{tablewidth}" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td width="10"><img width="10" height="1" src="{imagesfolder}/space.gif" alt=""></td><td width="100%"><!-- spacer -->

<table cellpadding="{tableouterborderwidth}" cellspacing="0" border="0" bgcolor="{tablebordercolor}" {tableouterextra} width="{contenttablewidth}" align="center"><tr><td>
<table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="{tableinnerborderwidth}" border="0" {tableinnerextra} width="100%">
<tr>
<td bgcolor="$post[backcolor]" width="175" valign="top" nowrap>
<a name="post$post[postid]"></a>
$post[firstnewinsert]
<normalfont><b>$post[username]</b></normalfont><br>
<smallfont>$post[usertitle]</smallfont><br>
$post[avatar]<p>
<smallfont>Registered: $post[joindate]<br>
Location: $post[field2]<br>
Posts: $post[posts]</smallfont></td>

<td bgcolor="$post[backcolor]" valign="top">
<smallfont>$post[icon] <b>$post[title]</b></smallfont>
<p><normalfont>$post[message]</normalfont></p>
$post[attachment]
<p>$post[signature]</p>
<p>$post[editedby]</p>
<p align="right"><smallfont><a href="report.php?s=$session[sessionhash]&postid=$post[postid]">Report this post to a moderator</a> | $post[iplogged]</smallfont></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td bgcolor="$post[backcolor]" width="175" height="16" nowrap><smallfont>$onlinestatus $post[foldericon]
$post[postdate] <font color="{timecolor}">$post[posttime]</font></smallfont></td>

<td bgcolor="$post[backcolor]" valign="middle" height="16">
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tr valign="bottom">
<td><smallfont>
$post[profile] $post[pmlink] $post[useremail] $post[homepage] $post[search] $post[buddy]
<!-- $ post[icqicon] --> <!-- $ post[aimicon] --> <!-- $ post[yahooicon] -->
</smallfont></td>
<td align="right" nowrap><smallfont>
<a href="editpost.php?s=$session[sessionhash]&action=editpost&postid=$post[postid]"><img src="{imagesfolder}/edit.gif" border="0" alt="Edit/Delete Message"></a>
<a href="newreply.php?s=$session[sessionhash]&action=newreply&postid=$post[postid]"><img src="{imagesfolder}/quote.gif" border="0" alt="Reply w/Quote"></a>
</smallfont></td>
</tr>
</table>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</td></tr></table>

<!-- spacer --></td><td width="10"><img width="10" height="1" src="{imagesfolder}/space.gif" alt=""></td></tr></table>



Whew!
:p

[flea]

Im afraid i still get this when i submit my post.

[Mntsnow]

Ok...so your having a CGI error......NOT a "make it look pretty" error.


Off to VB's tech help again

[RK]

Ok I will do the best I can to describe it:)

First off everything on the forum works fine and looks fine to me in opera..I can view and surf with ease.

The problem occurs when I try to post a message. The posting form comes up fine, everything is there but when i hit either the submit or preview button....................nothing.........in the action bar at the bottom of the browser up comes the message "sending request to forums.xtremepccentral.com..." then the message dissappears after about 2 seconds and it never connects.

The only difference in appearance from opera to IE in the posting form is that the color of the message field and the color in the post subject field is grey in IE and white in opera..

I don't want to make a big thing out of this its not a problem to fire up IE when I want to post here:) Its just that it is more of a mystery and I love mysteries:D

RK

[Mntsnow]

Thanks RK....I have listed this thread in my post over at the VB's support forums. Hopefully we can get this figured out as I like mysteries too....Up to a point :D

[RK]

I was just looking at flea's post and was thinking maybe opera isnt reading the buttons correctly and is sending to forums.xtremepccentral.com instead of http://forums.xtremepccentral.com

could it be that the http is cut off from the table that opera reads somehow??? just thinking out loud

RK

[Mntsnow]

That could very probable......I hope that one of the VB Mods or "super Users" visit my thread in the forums soon...Just so we can know an answer ;)

[flea]

Sorry still get the same error, but i did get a funky new one when i went to post this(in netscape this time)......

Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in E:\Xtremeforums\admin\functions.php on line 2065

[Mntsnow]

Well I turned off the "http headers" that one of the guys suggested that I turn on for testing purposes but that caused more problems so thats back to off now.

Try your Netscape again AFTER clearning your cookies and emptying your cache. Do you get the same error?

[Mntsnow]

Retesting in my opera...it's working still for me

[Herb]

Hi, I'm on NS4.7 at the moment and it shows the same misbehavior as in TechIMO (http://www.techimo.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=2052)

Will check later with Opera5.11

so long

[Mntsnow]

Thanks for letting me know Herb

[flea]

These may be of help, dunno. Here they are anyway :)

http://www.phpbuilder.com/mail/php-developer-list/2001062/0193.php
http://www.phpbuilder.com/mail/php-developer-list/2001062/0194.php

Its about the problems with Opera and PHP, related to the error i keep getting.

[Mntsnow]

Thanks flea! Will check out those links

[surrealchereal]

HEY!! I resemble that remark! :D

[flinder]

After the Opra,there are some problems with IE6.0 also.
{just so you know not a bigone}
The page with is about twice as wide as it should be.


Wish I had sound on this thing. Would like to hear the lady sing.
Wait a min Tech suport where is the mute button??
LOL