[FaD] Gonna be soon...one enhanced Cruncher

[serlv ( Zippy )]

...hopefully. Soon. Got to go out to a friends now.

Got most of the work done tonight. Still need to hook a few things up ( LCD display, heater for back of mobo, control wires and software, drives, vid, front panel leads ).

[serlv ( Zippy )]

front view

[Shyguy]

That set upis gonna make for one hell of a OC!!!

Looking great!!!

What is that little thing underneath, a mini AC I'm guessing?

Ive seen something from one of the major case companies that has a similar thing, I think it was Coolermaster, or Thermalright or one of those, that has a full tower type of box that is basically a AC system but has piping to go into a case?

[PresterJohn]

>What is that little thing underneath, a mini AC I'm guessing?

looks like liquid cooling on that baby. :)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

It is an nVentiv ( ChipCon ) Prometia Mach II. I am a major procrastinator; have had it a while but needed to get some snags unsnagged first. Been putting it off, as it intimidated me. However, a friend and I worked through it together today.

It is my SubZero project.

[Plum Ugly]

bout time ya got it runnin

[Shyguy]

Hey Zippy, that Athlon 64 rig your putting together, what CPU cooler were you using again?

Reason I ask is that I just read over at Thermalrights site, old news actually, 9-15-04, that they are coming out with the little brother version of the XP-120 cooler called the XP-90, works on all Athlon 64 chips & P4 Chips, can mount a 80 or 92 mm fan on it. But wasn't sure what HSF you were using, but when I finally get my system upgraded to 64 I think i'm going with that new HSF for it. Unless there is something better?

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Well, you can get a K8 mount kit for the Mach II...

That would probably the best cooling solution. But, back to reality; I'm using a Thermalright SLK-948 cooler with a YS Tech 92mm fan on it. However, yeah, the XP-90 is supposed to fit, no prob. I'm using a DFI NF3 250Gb board and one of the guys in one of the DFI OCing forums I visit is using the XP-120 and says it works no problem - fits fine. There was some question as to whether it would fit, but apparently it does work. So yeah, hard to go wrong with Thermalright.

There is also a Zalman 7000 something, or other, that others are using with some success.

But I think the Prommie would work great with an A64 chip. Phase change cooling can get the temps way down. But I'm going to use it with the XP chip that is in it now. It is a chip I bought as the week and stepping are supposed to be real good; IQYHA 0401. I mean if it is a real good xhip it should ghet to at or over 2600 mHz on air; with a Prommie - who knows. I've seen between 2850 and 3150, in forums. We'll see. First, I have to get it up and running. I've never used anything like this before and am not sure what I'm doing, and still have a way to go. Hopefully I have everything sealed off and installed right.

So basically that thing is a freezer head. Not sure how low it will go, I believe somewhere sround -30 to -55F. Not sure.

[Plum Ugly]

COOL!!!

[mickwish]

Originally posted by Plum Ugly
COOL!!! :rofl: :lol: :ROF:

Dunno whether you meant that, Plum, but it made me laugh!! :D

Cheers
Mick

[vavega]

.....heater for back of mobo

a heater? can you explain that one to me zippy? i have never heard of that! :)

[tank]

VV , if you don't heat the area surrounding the socket then ice will form and short the board. And no.....you are NOT getting one.

[vavega]

damn! :D

can i get 2 of these instead? (http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/subzero/subzero4g.htm)

[Shyguy]

Those are pretty good from what ive read, though not great for a major overclock, maybe a mild to moderate. But best features are that its got damn near fool proof features in it, if something is wrong with something on one of the components your system won't boot, so you can't fry your CPU, liek if the fan is dead, or what ever.

[davidw]

Sweet!

[vavega]

how stable is it? i mean as tall as it is, with all that weight up top in such a small footprint, aren't you afraid it will fall over? :confused:

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Originally posted by vavega
a heater? can you explain that one to me zippy? i have never heard of that! :) http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Cooling/Mach2/page3.htm

how stable is it? i mean as tall as it is, with all that weight up top in such a small footprint, aren't you afraid it will fall over?

The condenser/compressor unit - the bottom part, weighs alot. More than a normal PC with stuff in it. Seems pretty stable.

[LAURENU2]

Be varrrry carefully of condensation

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Well, Houston, we have problems. Not sure what is wrong. And the company that makes them is no longer in business.

I have some thoughts on possible ways to get help. Will be looking into them.
Meanwhile, one of my best crunchers is tied up inside of there and not running. Bummer.

Definitely a bummer. We took a lot of care putting this together and followed instructions exactly.

:(

[vavega]

aahhhh zippy no! :(

what's it doing or not doing?

tell me you got the head gasket on there right!

[rourkchris]

That is a bummer Zippy! Hope you get it figured out. As XPC's OCing lab rat this is a snag you'll run into before the rest of us more cowardly OCers but hopefully it will come together and be another incredible cruncher for you. Keep us posted.

[jasong]

Originally posted by Shyguy
old news actually, 9-15-04,

Sign of the times, and the industry, when 3 weeks is considered old news. Wonder if innovation will ever get to the point where a techie will actually worry about long-term(more than 5 years) wear-and-tear?

[Wizzard~Of~Ozz]

We took a lot of care putting this together and followed instructions exactly.

There's your problem :D

depending on what you're using, the instructions can be very bad.. for example

- Setup is Continue -- ECS motherboard CD's
- Click Finish to begin the installation -- Microsoft MDAC setup.

I'm curious what problem you're having tho..

[dannychuckle]

have you filled that base bit up with petrol? looks like a V8 to me...

Is it posting but not being cooled, or isn't it even posting?

[tgxiii]

Originally posted by Wizzard~Of~Ozz

- Setup is Continue -- ECS motherboard CD's
- Click Finish to begin the installation -- Microsoft MDAC setup.
:lol: Those poorly translated instructions always crack me up when I come across them!

[serlv ( Zippy )]

The computer is controlled by the cicuitry in the cooling unit. It is supposed to boot once the temp reaches the right point.

It will not turn on and start to cool at all. There are 4 LEDs on the back of the cooling unit. Green-yellow-yellow-red. It is supposed to, initially, flash green. Then once the temp reaches the right place, the computer will ( is supposed to ) boot.

Well, it flashed green twice, but stopped flashing. I hit the power button and didn't hear anything happening, so looked at the LEDs. All four were lit up. Red is an alarm or warning type indicator. I cut power. Now, it won't light any of the LEDs. Basically, it does not respond, or start to start, at all.

[vavega]

if you have an air gap in that hermetic seal would that stop it from booting? is there a sensor that would detect it?
once you powered it down, did you attempt to restart it right away?

[serlv ( Zippy )]

if you have an air gap in that hermetic seal would that stop it from booting?

I don't believe so.

I believe the problem is long before it gets to the computer. I think it is within the control unit inside the chiller.

Tomorrow, I am going to see THE MAN. This guy has Prometia's sent to him from all over the world, for modification. By trade, he is an HVAC/Refigeration specialist. He has built up a sizable side business in extreme computer cooling. Turns out he lives about a mile from me, directly on the street my street enters onto. He is known as chilly1 on extremesystems.org. The owner of that site lives here in Las Vegas, too.

The stock Mach II uses r134a, which is the coolant used in cars. He mods the Prometia's to use r402 or r507. These machines are then able to achieve much colder temps.

He also builds custom triple cascade coolers from scratch. Some of these machines approach -200 degrees. Those are three stage cooling units. A Mach II is single stage.

[Win2Kuser]

I presume the MAN has ways of pushing a CPU to 100% for testing, but it wouldn't hurt to mention (you know, kinda in passing :)) that FaD will push it too ;)

[vavega]

roflmao! zippy you ain't right :p

you're going for r507 aren't you? if so, will you be able to get over 4Ghz?

good luck and i hope chilly1 can fix it :)

[LAURENU2]

Does it have a fuse or reset on the compresser uint?

Is there a case fan conected to your CUP fan header? MB will not start without it

[serlv ( Zippy )]

hehe. no, 4 gHz is not possible with AXP's. well over 3 is.

i was wrong, not approaching -200, but below -120.

and yes, i'd probably like to use r507, eventually. depending on cost.

first, i want to get the damn thing running. :)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
Does it have a fuse or reset on the compresser uint?

no fuse that i can see...

Is there a case fan conected to your CUP fan header? MB will not start without it

yes, i do happen to have a 3 wire fan connected to the cpu fan header, but i didn't before. I only used that header this time because the fat black capillary tube coming up from the cooler was kind of in the way of the header i had been using previously. this board/BIOS does not require it. in fact, most of my machines don't require it, but i do believe I had a KX7-333R that required one. I usually use 4 oin fans on my CPUs.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

these guys are insane...

been reading on the latest setup they're working on. i was right, closer to -200.

"With the setup on a working computer with it insulated with 1 inch closed cell foam we should have no problem. We are looking for -178C to -184C internal on the processor so the coldest the setup will see will be -195C"

unreal. that is with the current triple cascade they're dialling in.

[vavega]

ok zippy don't you dare leave us hanging.....what did chilly say!??
sorry but this is approaching soap opera in scope :p

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Got to be at his house in 55 minutes. Don't know yet.

First to the PO to get a package off to roadtech. I've effed up and didn't send something when I said I would. That is twice now with Kevin with this package. Been putting it off. My bad. Sometimes I get a little too single-minded.

[roadtech]

No, Big deal man. I was just wondering if it got lost or something. Going to use that chip for my first Linux system. SUSE 9.1...:D

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Kev- If you didn't see the PM - It entered into the malstream at 5:25 PM. Again, sorry. What a flake I am.

V V- It is not good. Needs a controller board and display unit.

[vavega]

awwww, rats!

didn't you say they were out of business?
can chilly get those parts? :confused:

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Originally posted by vavega
awwww, rats!

didn't you say they were out of business?
can chilly get those parts?:confused:

No, not those exact parts. We are trying to do something. I'm waiting to hear from him today. Left a message on his home phone. Have been pissed, all day, after talking with the reseller I bought the unit from.

Have some options, but none are as good as a functioning original controller and display unit.

[vavega]

is THIS (http://www.pcextreme.biz/productdescription.asp?SKU=ex-con-12) the display?

[serlv ( Zippy )]

yeah.

more importantly, the controller board can't be ordered.

[vavega]

well i ain't giving up yet
all i have found for the controller is for the machI and that's not compatible with the machII. one guy back in august was selling his machII for $350 over on the [H] board, but i thought that was a little high

in the meantime.....

have you seen O-CuK forums? (http://www.over-clock.com/ivb/lofiversion/index.php?f38.html)

check out topic #46 for the firmware/bootloader download links
and # 19...this guy [O-CuK]Marci sounds like a guru of sorts :)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Well, I registered at that forum, and posted of my need. Have a lead. I also emailed the owner of extremeprometia, and he has contacted me. He said he does not have any, but he'll look into it.

Plus, apparently, JCViggen may have one. Am in the process of finding out for sure. He is in Belgium and not online for the last 12 hours, that I know of.

Working on it, like a dog w a bone. I appreciate your efforts on my behalf, VV.

Cheers,
Scott

[vavega]

did you read post #18 where the guy's usb keyboard and mouse messed up his install?
sorry...there i go again :o
i'll quit now and go back to messing around with my voltmeter :D

[vavega]

heheheeee!

i got a lead on a guy willing to get rid of one over on [H] (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=767308&highlight=prometia+mach) and even though it is an old post, i figured it never hurts to ask. i sent a pm, so we wait on that one.

i also sent a pm to xdbx just to see if he still has his
and one to atp1916 since he is closer to you
so don't go doing the same thing or they will get excited thinking they have a lot of interest and jack the price up! :p ;)

[Paul W]

Wow, I was thinking of mentioning that you should look up JCViggin. I remember him doing some serious chilling.

Once upon a time, I had an OC higher than his. :ROF:
That was after I built my first dehumidifier chiller, which ran the water at a whopping -10C. ;)
That was way back around the time when AMD's fastest was the XP1800+...

Hopefully you get fixed up Scott. Maybe someone has fried their cooling components, and has the parts you need for cheap.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Thanks, H_E. All, JC has is a new LCD display, no controller.

I wish I hadn't backed away from this project when I first got it. Put it on the backshelf due to two issues and waited way too long.

One of the issues was standoffs that were of different heights, and I thought I was going to have to cut them off. ( They looked permanent ) When we finally got down to it, they weren't.

The other issue was a PSU that was reading way low on the 12V rail. Though it seemed to run fine, even overclocked. At stock speeds ( or close ), it would read 11.43. When I overclocked hard it would read 11.28 or 11.3x. But I put off dealing with it, til about 3 weeks ago. Finally RMAed it. It was a 520W TTGI unit. Guess they don't make them anymore, as they sent me back a 550W TTGI. TTGI is also known as Superflower. This PSU is a monster.

Check the pics...

[serlv ( Zippy )]

.

[tgxiii]

Ah, I remember that pink PSU!

[serlv ( Zippy )]

.

Actually it is mirrored red. Looks sweet. The new one, like I said is up by 30 watts. Sweet unit. hopefully the rails are right, though I'm wondering if it was just the sensors misreading.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Hmm, missing one. Maybe this will come through.

[tgxiii]

Hehe, yeah.... If I remember right, someone called it pink and you replied with "mirrored red" also.

Here it is:
http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=82767&highlight=mirrored+red#post82767

Originally posted by Heavy_Equipment
A pink PSU?! :wtf:
Sub zero alright, on the macho meter.

:rofl: :ROF: :ROF: :ROF: :rofl:

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Originally posted by tgxiii
Hehe, yeah.... If I remember right, someone called it pink and you replied with "mirrored red" also.


Hehe, so I got issues. Actually, it doesn't photograph right. Definitely much more red, than pink.

It comes in Titanium grey, Funky Green, Red and possibly blue.

What do I care really. The think that grabs me is the massive power, and the equally massive 14cm fan. None of my cases have windows. Definitely didn't get it for looks, but thought red would be cool...

[vavega]

i've got 2 answers to my pm's Zip! they are still out there. ;)

are you sure that's not pink? i mean it does look like it from here
<run Di run> :D
goes really well with the hot pants yellow heat spreaders in the other one
am i noticing a trend here?

[vavega]

check this (http://www.tetech.com/temp/) out for a controller
you know all this is over my head but it sounds like it might have possibilities :)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Thanks, vV!

That is interesting, if the unit is usable in this situation.

I'll pass it along to chilly1. I am exploring a psssibility of help from a reseller who is still selling the Mach II's. They do get returns and such. They wouldn't promise me anything, but talked with one of their main guys, at length, over the phone on Thursday morning. He wanted me to put together an email, with details on system specs, steps taken and history of the unit and problem. Once they get that they, he will go over it with the guys in the shop.

Just put it together and sent it out this morning. Hopefully, I'll hear something back from them in the coming week.

I am not w/o options. The ideal situation, obviously, is to get a working controllerand display, from somewhere.

But, chilly1 says we can, if we have to, set it up w/o a controller. Or hack in a Mach 1 controller and LCD. Or other options.

[vavega]

good news that it's not dead. do you want me to tell xdbx that you're not interested?

[serlv ( Zippy )]

yeah, probably best. $400 just to get a controller and display LCD is a bit much. Hopefully, the other options or a fresh controller will pan out.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Well, I don't want to get my heart broken. So, I'll believe it when I have it and see the Prometeia/computer fire up.

But this looks promising. Very promising.

Scott,

I'm sorry for the delayed response. Do you still want to repair the
unit? Is this is a Mach II standard, ST or GT? Can I ask where you
bought the unit from? I'm guessing there are two ways to do this. I can
send you a board to replace the defective one with. The other option is
for you to ship the unit to us and we'll fix it for you.

If you send it to us I won't charge you for our labor repairing it.
I've been on the wrong end of a bad cooling unit myself. :) I'm
guessing the replacement board will be relatively inexpensive as well.

Thanks,

Garry

[vavega]

:eek: :D

well hurry up and make up your mind, it's not like i have a lot of patience!

[vavega]

bump!
this was all the way down on page 4 with mr. jack slacker trying to smother it :eek:

any news?

http://www.angelfire.com/blues2/vavega/character55.gif (http://www.angelfire.com/blues2/vavega/01-already_gone.mp3)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Who kniws for sure. It looks like it is getting closer to the day...
but I'll believe it when I see it.

Nov.17th -

"Scott,

The parts are on their way. As soon as they arrive I'll let you know.

Thanks,

Garry"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~

On Nov 16 at 4:03 PM, Scott R. wrote:

Hi Garry,

What's the good word? Anything positive happening 'bout parts arriving, arrived or on there way? Its' been close to two weeks since we "talked" last so I figure maybe there has been some progress.

I'm very much looking forward to getting this unit up! On the other hand, I'm trying not to bug ya. Just don't want to be forgotten. You're an enthusiast, you know how it is. :)

Regards, Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garryl"
To: "Scott R."
Sent: Thursday, November 04 Subject: Re: Defective Prometeia


Scott,

I thought I'd give you an update. Verner should be able to ship out the parts next week from Denmark. It will then take about a week to arrive in the U.S. In the future I will have a supply of parts at the shop, but unfortunately we are still getting things situated. Once I get them we can figure out what the cost is and how to get them to you.

Garry



On Nov 1 , Scott R. wrote:

Ok, sounds good. I'll just wait on word from you, then. Hopefully, Mr. Ebbesen will be getting your parts to you soon.

Thanks, Scott


----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry"
To: "Scott R."
Sent: Monday, November 01
Subject: Re: Defective Prometeia


Scott,

I should hear from Verner soon regarding the replacement parts. He has already said he would be gathering what I need to service your prommy as well as others that may need repair. There is a huge time difference and a ton of things going on right now, so we may be waiting a little bit for him to get this done. Nevertheless, I will make sure that you are taken care of as soon as possible.

Thanks,

Garry

[vavega]

they're probably in a container in port newark :rolleyes:

ok time for me to go sit on my hands again ;)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Well, if I'm not being "buffaloed", and providing they weren't sent out just yesterday, then I imagine Garry should have them by this coming Friday, perhaps the following Monday or Tuesday. But, we'll see. As I said, I'm becoming real patient ( well, not really - but, I'm powerless ) in watching this all unfold.

[vavega]

then we wait

whatcha doin' for thanksgiving?




http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vavega/taz.gif (http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vavega/02-i_want_to_take_you_higher.mp3)

[Plum Ugly]

Scott,did ya ever get those scsi's going too?

[serlv ( Zippy )]

No, just one more thing on the to do list! :( :)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Originally posted by vavega
then we wait

whatcha doin' for thanksgiving?




http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vavega/taz.gif (http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vavega/02-i_want_to_take_you_higher.mp3)

Working, for the first time in 10 or 15 years. I cannot believe we are all being "mandatoried". Will be hooking up w friends later, after work though.

[vavega]

at this point that sounds preferable to making a turkey with all the usuals for 7, and only having the pies done. :o








http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vavega/speak3.gif (http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vavega/05-boogie_king.mp3)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

an email, today...

"Scott,

The parts arrived today actually. I've not had time to open the box and
get your stuff out, but I'll get that done ASAP. I need to figure out
what the costs are as well. Do you want to use Paypal for payment or
something else? Also, please let me know where to ship them.

Sorry it has taken so long.

Thanks,

Garry"

[roadtech]

So, does this make you happy........:bunny:

[serlv ( Zippy )]

yes and no.

[roadtech]

Yes that's what I was thinking. Got it love it...:(

[vavega]

oh come on zip! where's that drive, that "i will not stop until i get this done, even though it's 2am and i am dead tired...yeeha! it's done and here are the pictures", where's that zippy...the one we all know and love? ;)
i figure once you get the box of parts and some beer in you and a weekend free, you will be scratching your head and muttering to yourself in no time, happy as all get out.

she says with all the confidence of the ignorant idjit she is :rolleyes: :D

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Oh, I'm definitely excited. :) It is just that I thought that the parts might be warrantied. But, alas, they are not. So the "no" part was a reflection of my disappointment with that fact.

The company that is now putting the product out is the company that made the original equipment, under contract, for nVentiv
( Chip-Con ). They are not obligated to honor nVentiv's warranties. :( They didn't run their business into the ground. They are just stepping in to produce them; there is obviously a demand for Prometeia's.

I will be getting the parts ( controller board, blue LCD display, fuses ) at cost ( $140 ), plus I am ordering an A64/FX mounting kit.

I will be very happy when I get the parts and get this unit running. The whole unit, computer and cooler has been sitting over at chilly1's house for at least 2 months...

I'm wondering what I can get one of these mobiles up to. And what I can get the 3500+ up to. It will run over 2700 mHz with the stock coolerand is currently crunching at 2640.

edit - What would be ideal is to get the parts by Christmas, as I have the week off from Thursday night ( the 23rd ) through Monday, the 3rd. A lot of time to tweak.

Still working out the parts order, though. I just got the numbers from him, late this afternoon. Hopefully I can order tomorrow.

[Paul W]

That's good news then Zippy.
$140 more is better than a complete loss IMO.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Absofrigginlutely, Paul! :)

Had just foolishly gotten my hopes up that it would be somehow covered under warranty.

But 2 -3 months ago, it was looking like I had no chance of getting a controller board, and my next option would have been to do a hack/workaround and use a Mach I controller, which is a lot less ideal.

I'll just be glad to get it up and running. If he ships out tomorrow I may have the parts by Wednesday.

[vavega]

is he shipping post office? ;) and do you have extra seal string?

[serlv ( Zippy )]

No, he is shipping Fedex. I still have seal string form the kit that came with my unit. Plus, there will be additional seal string coming with tha A64/FX kit I ordered with my replacement parts.

Hmm, two kits...

I might have to get a Mach II GT to go along with the second kit. LOL. J/K, I think ( the thought did occur to me... - I told myself "Self, STFU!" ).

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Well, got an email saying my parts shipped. The tracking # in the email is not in the Fedex system, though. I am so much the doubting Thomas right now, with this thing. Hopefully the tracking # will bring info later, or tomorrow.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Well, the nuber is in the system now, anyways. woot!

Ship date
Dec 17, 2004

Estimated delivery
Dec 22, 2004


Delivery location
LAS VEGAS, NV

Service type
Home Delivery

Pieces
1

Weight
2.0 lbs.



Status
Package data transmitted to FedEx; package not in FedEx possession

Don't like that "package not in FedEx posssesion" part, though.

[vavega]

he could have printed the label online and it will be picked up today. 5 days to Las Vegas? whereth is it coming from? :confused:

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Not sure. But it is Fedex SuperSaver. Three business days. My experiene with that is oftne times it gets to its destination sooner, when there is a weekend involved. But they preserve their rights by saying 5 days ( calendar ).

[vavega]

http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vavega/fingerscrossed.gif (http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vavega/Who_Do_You_Love___range_.mp3) that the box shows up tomorrow ;)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Looks like it should be the 23rd; it didn't leave its' origin til the 20th. Here's to the 23rd. Thanks, V V ! :)

Scott

[vavega]

just make sure you are sitting on the front steps with a plate of chocolate chip cookies and a glass of cold milk. fedex guys like that :D

[poopeyhed2]

Originally posted by vavega
just make sure you are sitting on the front steps with a plate of chocolate chip cookies and a glass of cold milk. fedex guys like that :D

Have you actually done that? In today's society, people don't take any food from strangers, so I don't know if the guys up here (in NJ) would take my cookies and the milk. However, when they came to where I worked last year, Dunkin Donuts, I was able to fix them up with a slightly better deal.. even though they didn't ship to my town. I really appreciate their work :)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Originally posted by vavega
just make sure you are sitting on the front steps with a plate of chocolate chip cookies and a glass of cold milk. fedex guys like that :D

Heheh. That might have had more to do with a pretty female offering some warmth than it did cookies and/or milk.

Anywhoo, these guys are like clockwork. They almost always show about 45 minutes before I get off work. :( Luckily they will usually leave it with my across the street neighbor.

[vavega]

i never did the cookies and milk routine, but when i took summers off, my ups guy would take cold bottled water. i guess he figured i couldn't do too much to that. :rolleyes:

so poo2, maybe it was your baking :P :D

rats! now i am kicking myself for not asking zip when he gets off work....the suspense is killing me

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Well, all I gotta say is...


























YES!! :D !!

[Win2Kuser]

No prizes for guessing what you will be upto for the next couple o' days then Scott :D

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Which reminds me. i need to call chilly1. He has my unit and computer at his house ( and will be swapping in the replacements ). He has been sick and his wife banned him from getting online. Hopefully he is well. Might be a few til I get it together... but I will. Certainly I'll be busy next week. Am off work from now til Monday, the 3rd. :cool: :D :cool:

Got an A64/FX adapter kit too. :) But first I'll be messing with mobile Bartons. The board is a DFI Infinity. Not sure what chip I have in there, but I know it is a promising M-Barton.

[vavega]

quit rubbing it in that you are off until the 3rd! it hurts :P

now with that said...

YAY!!! :D :D :D

was the box crushed? do the parts look OK? are they all there? did he throw a little something extra in to make up for the wait? make sure you wipe down everything with lysol, you don't want to be catching anything that chilly has, especially before surgery time! ;)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

The box wasn't crushed, but wasn't in the best shape, either. The parts look ok the best I can tell. But then again, so did the originals did, too. And that box was in immaculate shape.

No telling til we get them in there, I guess. Hopefully all is well.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Ok, talked to the Man and am going over there Monday afternoon to get the replacement parts swapped in.

Hopefully will be getting this show on the road and the functioning machine back overhere to let the crankin' begin!

Been a long time...

[vavega]

let's see....your monday afternoon is my monday night....so really i should keep quiet until tuesday night since i don't make any sense at 2 in the morning no matter how hard i try

it'll be tough waiting, but i think i can do it :P

good luck! ;) :)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

woohoo! on my way out the door w parts in hand ( yeah, i know it is later than i thought it would be! ). gonna see about getting the prommie functional. right on!

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Well, got it running. :) Been messing with it for an hour or two. So far so good. Gonna try to get it over 3 gHz.

I've uploaded some full-size pics to My Gallery, but they are not approved yet.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Here is another one...

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Ok, over 3 gHz! Wonder where this chip will top out at.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

A little higher. :) Pretty much done for tonight; very tired.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

FaD rating at 3049 mHz. Not as high as I would of thought but better than a kick in the butt.

[Win2Kuser]

Nice one Scott, you must be feeling pretty chuffed with yourself right about now :D

I'd have thought the CPU rating would be about right;

From what I've seen of the AMD cores...
1.0-1.1 gig rating of 100-110
2.0-2.2 gig rating of 200-220
so...
3.0-3.3 gig rating of 300-330
I know there are other factors that control the CPU rating, but the core is the main one.

Either way, congrats on getting it going - Yes it will be interesting to see how far you can push that tiny piece of silicon :D

[mickwish]

Neato, Zippy! :D

Gallery pics approved, BTW. ;)

I'd be interested to see how far an Athlon 64 will go under liquid cooling, too!! ;) D

Cheers
Mick

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Yeah, me too. I did say I also purchased an Athlon64/FX kit, didn't I?

This chip may be approaching its' limit. Had to back it off some, was up to 3143 but had stability + "freezing" ( programs freezing ) problems. Will have to see if there are things I can do to stabilize it "up there", or if that is indeed the upper limit.

I will probably mess with it some more as far as mem timings loosened a bit, so as to get a higher FSB, etc. Just different combos as far as multi and FSB, etc. Still this chip may be at its' overall highest workable, overall system speed. I do have other chips I'm curious about ( M-2600's, etc., an XP2700+ I'm curious about, etc.), but I very well may just go straight into the A64 kit.

Decisions, decisions.

Unfortunately, my OCZ DDR Booster is needing to be RMAed, so I won't be able to check out the BH-5/PC3500's top end @ 2-2-2-X timings. Certainly not with this board ( incompatible ), but hopefully I can get it RMAed soon, and start using it, again, on the MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum ( S939 ) and hpefully, the Prommy.

However, there have been issues with the Mach II and the MSI; many are failing to get that combo to work, at least with Winchester chips ( 3500+, 3200+, 3000+ .90 chips ).

Thanks on the pics, Mick.

By the way,. I'm not sure this is considered liquid cooling ( though I suppose, technically it is just that ). It is called "phase change".


Interesting to see what FaD does to the temps. Brings'em up quite a bit. When I went to bed, it was running at -30C or so. If I turn FaD off, it drops about9-10 degrees ( C). I suppose that is close to what it is with aircooling. Also, overall system speed will bring the temps up some, too ( obviously ). But not the same impact as FaD does.
FX-55(s) don't seem to have a problem with the MSI and the Prommy, though... :) ( Scott, just say no! At least for a while, anywhoo. :) ) If it doesn't work with the Winchester/MSI, I can try the Clawhammer/DFI combo, too.

Well, back to bed. Haven't had enough sleep!

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Hopefully, this link will work. If so, here is a pic of some of the equipment used.

http://www.xtremepccentral.com/gallery/data/500/752mobo_box_w_cooler_on_top_of_CD_media_chest.jpg

[serlv ( Zippy )]

And another.

http://www.xtremepccentral.com/gallery/data/500/752front_view_-_components_-_cooler_mobo_-packaging_-_dark.jpg

[mickwish]

Wow, is that the Prommie unit?? Much bigger than what I thought it would be (I was thinking ore like a little radiator setup).

Where does it fit?? Into 5 1/4 inch bays or something?? Or doesn't it firt inside a case at all??

I've never done alternative cooling methods, as you can tell. :P

Cheers
Mick

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Well, the thing on the right, with a long neck ( a capillary tube, to use the correct jargon ) that ends with an evaporator head. The head is what is fitted to the socket are and makes direct contact with the CPU core, at about -50C. It is sitting next to the motherboard, with both of them on top of a large blue/green drawered media cabinet. It does have a sort of radiator thing in the front - fins that have air drawn through them for the condensor. It also has a compressor, chip controller,lcd display and some other stuff. Here (http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=115356#post115356) is what it looks like when mounted to a PC that sits above it.

It is pretty big; weighs at least 15 Kgs. or so.

And below is a diagram of the unit and its' parts.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Here is a pic of the PC on top of the Prommy, next to an Antec SX1040. When the PC is mounted together with a Prommy it is a pretty imposing size!

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Here is a pic of the LCD. Not a real high quality shot, but whatcha gonna do? :)

[phicks]

Wow Serlv. I've never seen anything like that. :D

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Me neither, not in person, before I got it.

Yeah, it is pretty radical. But in the world of extreme cooling, almost mundane, if you can believe that.

But what is truly radical is the stuff I saw over at chilly1's house. A custom dual head phase change unit ( for an SLI rig, the guy already has a cascade unit for the CPU ), triple cascades, a stack of 75 compressors, ready for cooling units, etc.

Chilly1 built the triple cascade that his partner, fugger, used to take a P4 to over 6 gHz!

[Paul W]

That's awesome!

[vavega]

oooooooooooooo :D aaaaaaaaaaaah :D

oh that is just the most beautiful sight!!! did you end up with the R402 or R507? :cool:

[roadtech]

when I grow up I might build one of them.........:bunny:

[vavega]

please take your time waking up, have a cup of coffee and then when you feel up to it, could you give me your expert opinion? ;)

i want to order the memory today for my tyan dual board (http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tigerk8w.html)
that evil mick is catching up way too fast :P

would this be a good choice? (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140739&Category_Code=REG_OCZ)
TIA!! :)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Originally posted by vavega
oooooooooooooo :D aaaaaaaaaaaah :D

oh that is just the most beautiful sight!!! did you end up with the R402 or R507? :cool:

I'm still with the stock R134A, VV. Though, chilly1 lives close and I'd definitely be interested in getting it colder yet. 402 will get it a little chilier than 507. Not sure what the cost is for the conversion.

Still dialing it in, getting used to it.

[mickwish]

Originally posted by vavega

i want to order the memory today for my tyan dual board (http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tigerk8w.html)
that evil mick is catching up way too fast :P

would this be a good choice? (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140739&Category_Code=REG_OCZ)
TIA!! :) Ooo, and Opteron duallie board, VV!! :D

I'm jealous already!! :P

I think you should stick with RAM that works well with Opterons, myself. A bit more. but I don't know if dual channel will work in that board anyway.

Try this RAM (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140526&Category_Code=REG_OCZ). It's tested and approved by Tyan for that board. :cool:

Just hope you can't afford the RAM just yet... :P

Cheers
Mick

[vavega]

i can afford the memory mick, just not the cpu's!!! :rolleyes: :D

http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vavega/Na_Na_Na_Na.gif (http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vavega/01-what_say_you.mp3)

[vavega]

are you still chillin ?? ;)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Like a villin. :)

Well am having some problems with the PC, but the cooling is fine. I'm typing on it now. At some point, hours later usually, it "freezes" up. I have managed to almost get it to no longer do that, it happens much less and will run overnight. But for instance, Windows was "frozen" when I got home from work.

I was losing my internet and USB after a while. Think it was a Southbridge issue. That no longer happens. Made some changes and they seem to have taken care of that.

Just gots to have perseverence! :)

[vavega]

is that more of an overclocking issue, not related to the prommie?

[serlv ( Zippy )]

is that more of an overclocking issue, not related to the prommie?

well, it didn't happen when it was aircooled...

[vavega]

can i "borrow" this for a bit?

what do you think of swiftech's MCX -6400V? (http://www.swiftnets.com/)

[serlv ( Zippy )]

what do you think of swiftech's MCX -6400V? (http://www.swiftnets.com/)


Looks pretty nice! I got two of these (http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcx603-V.asp) just last week, so I believe.

What do the reviews say about the 6400s?

[vavega]

the link in on the swiftech site doesn't work...

but

this guy was positive (http://www.ocia.net/reviews/mcx6400/page1.shtml) ;)

note the emphasis on "ease of installation" :D

[vavega]

dq#1
will i damage the cpu if i dry fit a heatsink to it? i am thinking of trying one xp90 alongside a 6400V, but i don't want to if i have to commit myself to laying down the goop.

otherwise i will turn into a muttering tank driver if it doesn't work :D

[poopeyhed2]

Heatsink compounds is just supposed to allow better heat transfer from the heat source into the cooling device. You won't damage anything if it's mounted correctly, you just won't get the best temperature performance.

[vavega]

thanks poo2! all i want to do is dry fit it to test for size. i wasn't going to go that route if i had to use the goop, have it not fit and then have to scrap all that crap off.

[poopeyhed2]

I know Thermalright has a nice compatibility list for each of their heatsinks. Because I know how anger I'd get if I was to buy this HSF and not have it fit.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Why not call Thermalright? Perhaps they would know...

[vavega]

now that would be the smart thing to do, but it won't get me a couple extra xp90's :P :D

[vavega]

i got boxes today zip....boxes!

the video, sound card, dvd drives, memory and heatsinks came in. all i am waiting for is the cpu's. i couldn't wait and opened one the mcx6400v's. :)

dq#2 is what do you do with the extra length of wire for the fan? would i harm it if i wrapped it around the fan? do i have to use a fan grill?

[mickwish]

i got boxes today zip....boxes!Do I almost smell the lovely smell of a duallie Opteron being run in? :D

Way to go, VV. Let us know what CPU rating they get. ;)

Cheers
Mick

[serlv ( Zippy )]

i got boxes today zip....boxes!

the video, sound card, dvd drives, memory and heatsinks came in. all i am waiting for is the cpu's. i couldn't wait and opened one the mcx6400v's. :)

dq#2 is what do you do with the extra length of wire for the fan? would i harm it if i wrapped it around the fan? do i have to use a fan grill?

excellent!


the wire?
tie it in knots, or you can wrap it around the fan as long you get it snug.

pretty heatsinks, eh?

i'm excited for you.

dual opterons! wow, i lust!

[mickwish]

I real keen to know how they perform with FAD, those Opterons. Are they gonna be that much better crunchers than a dual MP set up? For the cost, they'd wanna be!! :P

Cheers
Mick

[vavega]

:P at mick, just on general principle

almost is the operative word mick!

i got the bright idea of having a design put on the side, cut out in holes, thinking i needed to have another way for air to escape. PJ set me straight on that line of thinking. so of course i thought of knot to design me up something elegant and tasteful :D problem was he came up with a better idea, which involves a plexiglass side window, which is not available for my case. so now i am into ordering another case. when asked by the devil what is was going to do with the case i had, i managed to say with a straight face, "i'm keepin' it, i am already a 1/3 of the way to another machine". :eek: :D

he didn't buy it

in the meantime.....

dq#3. if i start to get the mb together now, without the case, :rolleyes: what can i use to cover it for say.... at least a week?

[mickwish]

Pizza box. :P

Seriously, a cardboard box is fine to sit the mobo on and run it. Not a long term solution, but it's non-conductive and will work. I've run mobos from pizza boxes for a week or so before. Worked fine. ;)

Just make sure you scrape the leftover pepperoni off the box. It's hard to get offa the bottom of the mobo... :eek: :P

Cheers
Mick

[vavega]

:lol: a pizza box!???

no i won't run it, i just want to set it up so it's ready for the case once it comes in.

yes but wouldn't the pepperoni give a little extra something to the points? :devil:

[mickwish]

Ah, you don't wanna run it? Then what I do is install the CPU(s) and RAM and put it back into the antistatic bag and in the mobo box. And put it somewhere safe where nothing heavy will fall on it. :P

Cheers
Mick

[serlv ( Zippy )]

or, send it to me for safekeeping!

[Win2Kuser]

Nothing wrong with running a machine in a box;

I custom made 2 cardboard boxes for a couple of machines, they are still happily running away after 6 months or more. I have them stacked up with some other boxes of stuff in the garage, and as they don't look like running computers, Wifey is none the wiser ;)

:D

[vavega]

will it be possible to overclock the dual core athlon? :devil:

[serlv ( Zippy )]

will it be possible to overclock the dual core athlon? :devil:

Here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64143) is a pretty stunning answer to that.

[BJ64]

wow

[vavega]

oh my

i put it a question to asus to see if they are going to upgrade the BIOS for the A8V deluxe. if they do, would you consider.........

YGAPM :D

[vavega]

:D :D :D memory ordered (http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productdetails.asp?submit=property&item=20-231-005) :devil: :D:D

[vavega]

zippy!

monarch's taking pre-orders! (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120235&Category_Code=amddc) :D
you gotta stop me

[mickwish]

Only $822?? A steal. :P

At that price, I think HWMBO will do the stopping.... :eek: :o

Cheers
Mick

[serlv ( Zippy )]

zippy!

monarch's taking pre-orders! (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120235&Category_Code=amddc) :D
you gotta stop me


Heheh. That's up to you. They will probably come down some in price. Maybe. It may be a month or even more before they do so. Also, eventually they should be in plentiful supply, if these are the wave of the future. As more and more places have them they might drop. That is pretty pricy though, for the average bear.

I got my 3800+ Venice on a pre-order from Monarch. It has been around a month. The retail version of the chip I got, OEM, is selling for only $10 less than what I paid for it though. So, it may be a while...

Are you thinking a 512K cache chip or one with 1 MB cache?

[crossedup]

$822 a pop? OUCH

Seems a neat idea but that will buy a lot of XP 2400 CPU's and boards used.

NICE serlv, what rating do you get? Curious. Seems i read it somewhere but I cant remember

:chug: nice rig, nice O/C :chug:

[poopeyhed2]

I saw they have a $5 off coupon through Game Riot for all AMD Processors.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

zippy!

monarch's taking pre-orders! (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120235&Category_Code=amddc) :D
you gotta stop me

I see now that you linked to the 4600+, a 512K cache ( x2 ) chip. Here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64624&page=1) is OPB's initial results with that very chip that was talked about in my initial link about 'em. OPB gets unreal results, so keep an eye on that thread; he's just starting!

[vavega]

mick
what is HWMBO?

zip
512 for sure, mick says the extra cache won't help in Fad.

cross
this most likely will be my last build for a good long time, so i wanted to make it a goodun. ;)

thanks poo, i'll check it out :)

[vavega]

zip! i see he has gaskill's too!
thanks for the link ;)
excuse me, i need to go back to reading

[mickwish]

mick
what is HWMBO?
Do I disremember? :confused: I thought it was you who used that acronym once before: He Who Must Be Obeyed. :P

Cheers
Mick

[poopeyhed2]

Here's the coupons VV

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=M&Category_Code=gameriotpromo

[BJ64]

That is one un-real thread on that AMD x2 4600. Talk about going to the max. A CPU chiller of -12. wow

[StandrdDev]

I'll take two, please! :D

...with a couple of these (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=33516) triple cascade phase-change coolers by Chilly1. Wonder what it might be capable of at -150degC and the GPU at -100 :cool:

On second thought, maybe a Vapochill LS will suffice. :lol:

Sigma

[vavega]

mick
he was never that, more like HWMBC :D but usually i just call him "the devil"

thanks poo
i copied and pasted that baby right away! :thumb:

[vavega]

you might be right on the pricing zip

i found it $20 cheaper and with no tax a mwave. ;)

[vavega]

well now....were to start?

i need to upgrade the BIOS on this board to run a dc athlon, but guess what? i don't have a spare socket 939 lying around doing nothing :eek: plan a was to get my local shop to do it, they don't have one. double :eek: plan b was to ask roadtech, he doesn't have one triple :eek:

computer god/genius KMack suggested a new one $20 from asus (https://helpdesk.asus.com/BIOSORDER/store/aci_viewItem.asp?idProduct=66) which i just ordered, should be here by the beginning of next week at the latest :D

thanks Mackie, i owe you! ;)

now where did i put that chisel and rubber mallet? :devil:

[mickwish]

You mean you need to upgrade the BIOS chip itself to get it to run Dual core? Not just flash a new BIOS? :dontknow:

At least it gives you an option to use these new CPU's without buying another board, I suppose.

Cheers
Mick

[Wizzard~Of~Ozz]

You mean you need to upgrade the BIOS chip itself to get it to run Dual core? Not just flash a new BIOS?

Mick, if the only processor she has is a dual core, it won't boot to let her upgrade the bios..

[mickwish]

Ah, I see... that's what she meant about not having a socket 939.. not the socket actually, but a CPU. :rolleyes:

Thanks for clearing that up, WoO. I needed translation assistance. :P

Cheers
Mick

[vavega]

I needed translation assistance.
Cheers
Mick

don't take this personal mick

:D :P :rolleyes: :thefinger :rolleyes: :P :D

all that matters is that i know what i think i said, not what you thought i didn't know :D

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Mick, if the only processor she has is a dual core, it won't boot to let her upgrade the bios..

Send me the CPU and board. I'll flash it. :)

Oh wait, that's more expensive than a brand new BIOS chip.... Hmmm.
Maybe I need one of these.

[mickwish]

all that matters is that i know what i think i said, not what you thought i didn't know :DThat sounds like something Heidi might say. Is she related to you, VV? :P

:tease:

Cheers
Mick

[vavega]

oh how can you be so cruel to me? :sob: :P :P

how do we know it's just not you in a dress? :devil: you'd look cute with the blonde pigtails

the new BIOS chip came, along with my window from knot :D so my mission this weekend is to tear everything apart in here, get the window on with pics and do brain surgery. how hard could that be? :rolleyes:

zippy

mackie's reccommending BIOS saviour (http://www.frozencpu.com/bio-01.html) for me, i think he knows something i don't know. :D
and with those big*ss tweezers, i won't be breaking a nail doing this!

[serlv ( Zippy )]

Hi VV. BIOS Savior has always intrigued me, but I've never gotten around to using it. Sounds good, though. It is nice to have insurance!

When are you going to order the CPU? Or, have you?

[StandrdDev]

Whats wrong with the machine? Is this a new build or what? :confused:

Sigma

[serlv ( Zippy )]

This is an upcoming AMD64 build using a 4600+ dual core chip, Sigma.

[StandrdDev]

OOooooh Aaaaaahhhhh!:D

I want....I want...I need...I need :D

Sigma

[serlv ( Zippy )]

OOooooh Aaaaaahhhhh!

I want....I want...I need...I need

Sigma


Yeah, they're something. I have have silicon lust, also! Check out the link, http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64143 . I posted it on the previous page.

[vavega]

i'm going to go order it today http://www.forumeye.it/invision/html//emoticons/woohoo.gif

i figure if i put it on my amex, i can get 850 more points, which puts me a whole 'nother state closer to hawaii, and the bill won't come in until next month. hopefully i'll have it by then, depending where i am on the waiting list. that'll also give me an out in case mwave doesn't come thru.

[StandrdDev]

Is this an older 939 board that needs a new bios chip, or is this a new one? IOW, Why would a new board require a new bios to run an X2?

Addtitonally, why a 4600X2 and not the 44? The only difference I can see is a couple hundred mhz (and 300 bucks less) which this chip should make up for nicely Is it a different multiplier?

TIA

Sigma

Edit: Can any 939 chip be used in a dual board, or did this little feature go the way of the dodo with the Athlon XP?

[vavega]

this is a new board StandD, but it has to have the latest BIOS for the dc to post. i chose the 4600 going back to my mom's principle of buying the best that you can afford at the time. since this is to be a cruncher only, i went for clock speed and nothing else.

AFAIK there is no strictly dual core board out there.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

"Edit: Can any 939 chip be used in a dual board"

Can any 939 board run with an x2 chip in it?

Theoretically. I imagine all it would take is a new BIOS. Perhaps some of the earliest 939 boards can't.

But I wouldn't take anything I'm saying here as Gospel.
This is all educated guessing on my part...

[mickwish]

Found this info about dual core defualt clock speeds at Tech Report:


CPU Clock speed L2 cache size Price
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.2GHz 512KB $537
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2.2GHz 1024KB $581
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz 512KB $803
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ 2.4GHz 1024KB $1001

Be kinda intesting to see what default CPU ratings these babies get in FAD. My thoughts are that I could get a pair of MP 2800+'s for less and might be able to get a similar rating. Savings on power consumption of course, and maybe mobo costs (depending on what you get). And the clockability is not in doubt... ;)

Say, VV, what FAD ratings did you finally get with the dual Opteron? I forget. :dontknow:

Cheers
Mick

[BJ64]

Guessing the 4200 and 4400 get about 200 - 215 per core.

Main rig at house is a A64 3200 ( 512 L2). @ 2.0 stock it gets about 189.

Bumped to 2.16 it averages 195 running XP pro (32 bit) and the latest beta version of FaD.

[mickwish]

My XP2600+ running stock in linux gives me 215 CPU rating. :P And it wasn't anywhere near as expensive as a A64! :D

Be interesting to see what my MP2800+'s will give me at stock. My dual MP2100+'s get 165 each under winXP.

If these dual cores only give a rating of 200 per CPU it'll be a very expensive cruncher. :eek: Until THINK makes some use of the 64bit CPU I can't see any benefit from going 64 bit yet. At least, not for crunching. ;)

Cheers
Mick

[crossedup]

My XP2600+ running stock in linux gives me 215 CPU rating. :P And it wasn't anywhere near as expensive as a A64! :D

Be interesting to see what my MP2800+'s will give me at stock. My dual MP2100+'s get 165 each under winXP.

If these dual cores only give a rating of 200 per CPU it'll be a very expensive cruncher. :eek: Until THINK makes some use of the 64bit CPU I can't see any benefit from going 64 bit yet. At least, not for crunching. ;)

Cheers
Mick

Hear you on that, thats why I have not jumped yet. My top cruncher ATM is a XP 2100 O/C in a Amptron board to 2400 status. It gets a 201 rating and I paid less than $100 for both, with the HSF.

Its not about actual Ghz anymore, sort of a $ game

[BJ64]

Yea you guys are right..the most crunch for the money is with the XP's. Also the A64's seem to be real picky about memory when it comes to OC'ing much. I'm working on my next project to be a simple XP rig on linux.

[vavega]

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has anyone ever taken a day off from work to build? :o

[BJ64]

LOL VV It seems like you are going to take a day off:) Can't blame ya..I'd be excited too!

[Win2Kuser]

has anyone ever taken a day off from work to build? :o

lol

I took a couple of days on the sicky a couple of weeks ago when my main machine screwed up. I was determined to get it back up before I went back in :D

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Wow, excellent! On their way. w00t!

As to the last question. What do you think? :busted:

[vavega]

you'd i'd expect :P

i'm a workaholic, so it's not that easy for me :eek:

[serlv ( Zippy )]

you'd i'd expect :P

i'm a workaholic, so it's not that easy for me :eek:

Ouch! :sob:

[vavega]

can you mix brass standoffs and plastic? this case only came with 3 brass, and with the weight of the heatsink i'm afraid to only use only 3.

[serlv ( Zippy )]

can you mix brass standoffs and plastic? this case only came with 3 brass, and with the weight of the heatsink i'm afraid to only use only 3.

Hmm. If they are not the same exact height; in other words support the board equally, at all points, then there could be a problem. I have had boards flex, under long-term pressure, by using different size ( height ) standoffs.

Standoffs ( matched size ) are available, I believe, at RadioShack. If not, CompUSA or computer supply stores. Or online.

Google search for "brass motherboard standoffs" (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=brass+motherboard+standoffs&btnG=Search)

Google search for "motherboard standoffs" (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=motherboard+standoffs)

You can get mixed packages. Lots of 10, 12 or 50. Etc.,etc.

Look through the links.

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Good luck to you in your build, Diane. Keep us abreast of developments.

[vavega]

well they aren't all the same size, so a trip to compusa will be in my future.

the brain surgery went well, after a little whining to harder, and finding a teeny, tiney screwdriver. the irc puller or whatever it's called is too big.

[vavega]

i've got the new BIOS chip in, the cpu, heatsink/fan, memory, and video card on, all sitting on the telephone book. did the old screwdriver trick and i get power to the board (green light) no POST messages of any kind (this board is supposed to have verbal messages) and nothing on the monitor. off to see what i can find out. wish me luck! :rolleyes:

[mickwish]

Try the old CPU and see if it's a BIOS or a CPU problem, Di. At least, if you haven't fixed it yet, that is. ;)

Cheers
Mick

[vavega]

i wish
no old cpu to try mick, this is the 4600+dc. the one with the new BIOS chip. i reseated the video card and both memory sticks. tomorrow i'm going to try a different video card.

[mickwish]

No beeps or anything? Doubt it's video card then (you DO have a speaker hooked up, right? :P ).

Cheers
Mick

[vavega]

nope....i thought it has an onboard speaker :P

[mickwish]

Onboard speaker? :P Um, I don't think so.... what board is it? If it doesn't have an onboard speaker, suggest you attach one and check beep codes. ;)

Cheers
Mick

[vavega]

it's an asus A8V deluxe

ok i'll find some speakers for it :P :D

[vavega]

oh no!

"system failed cpu test"
:sob:

[mickwish]

It booted? Or is that a beep code? I hope it's not the wrong BIOS... or that specific BIOS doesn't have to be flashed to recognise dual core. :eek:

Mick

[vavega]

no to the boot mick, that was the beep code. the old BIOS chip i took out wouldn't support the dual core, so that's why i went with a new one version 1019. that's what's in it now

in my snooping i found http://forums.amd.com/index.php?showtopic=31392 over at amd. i'm half tempted to pop out this new one, put the old one back in and try this. what do you think?

[mickwish]

Now that's a neat trick by Asus to give you flashability without a working CPU!! :D Pity you didn't know that before. :rolleyes:

Yep, that's what I'd do: load up the old BIOS, connect a floppy (and the speakers! :P ) and flash a new BIOS that recognises the dual core CPU.

If that don't work I dunno what to suggest, though. No way to test the CPU otherwise, is there?

Cheers
Mick

[poopeyhed2]

VV - I got the System failed CPU test all the time when I had my ASUS A78NX Deluxe with a mobile AXP in it. But seeing that this is completely different, I thought I would mention it to ya. Are you sure the video power is plugged in too?

When I set up a computer for a pal in late March the computer would not boot up with video and it was the memory had to be in a specific order, so we tried each stick in each dimm slot and as soon as we got video then we added the other stick it was Patriot memory that had low latency.

[vavega]

video power!??? that could be a problem since i have no idea what you're talking about. if you mean power to the monitor, yes i have that. otherwise it sounds like a good place to start before i go flashing BIOS's.
duh, di...ya think? :rolleyes: better say it before mick the magnificent does:P

i switched the memory sticks in both banks, the manual says to use only the blue when using 2, now i think i will try each one by themselves. these are bushkill's 2-2-2-5

[poopeyhed2]

Video power like the power cable to the video card. If it's a Radeon 9500 or greater except the Radeon 9600 and any other Nvidia card greater than the 5 series. ;)

I'm working real hard to get a DC chip, but I don't know when that'll be. :sob:

[vavega]

whew poo!
you scared me for a minute there. i searched that puppy high and low for a power plug, but nothing......it's a radeon 9600se

[poopeyhed2]

http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid=15&threadid=66331&enterthread=y

Did a little search, your CPU should work. Must be some other component?

[mickwish]

Unless the "new" BIOS is bad, or not seated properly. :eek: Maybe try flashing the new BIOS using the ALT + F2 trick with the newest BIOS on a floppy. Can only say it's already there. :rolleyes:

That would be after trying another Vid card and maybe only one stick of RAM (careful where you put that stick, though; read the linky you linked up a bit for advice ;) ).

Hope it boots soon... I'm getting nervous. :o

Cheers
Mick

[vavega]

well i ran out of time, ideas, and gave up.....schlepped it down to my local guy, who now has it sitting on a counter waiting for anthony.

who is the cutest kid, but he has one most irritating habits....he goes back at me worse than you mick. :P so this is payback time. i can't wait for the phone call i'm gonna get tomorrow :laugh: "what have you gone and done now? :D