Yo' TTwitt . . .

[sharder8]

Someone (no, not me), was wondering if you're okay! :p

No replys today can only mean that yer' network/Charlie is down again . . .

Or

Yer' trying for find more horse power to prevent Glidden from passing ya'! :p

Harder

(BTW, heard a little rumor that ya' was going down 2 places in the team stats sometime in the next 24 - 48 hours. Same as the expected eruption of ST Helens :rolleyes: )

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by sharder8
...Charlie is down again . . .Yer' trying for find more horse power... Surprise surprise, but No! Charlie is better than he's been for a long long time - a painfree week in fact, which I reckon gives him a reprieve for the time being for "further observation..."

'Trying to find more horsepower' was nearer the mark than you thought ! Not horsepower in terms of MHz though, but more in terms of the kind that comes from internal combustion engines.

I'd been planning on investing in a new car for the past ten years or so, but a couple of days ago my hand was forced by some pretty 'orrible and expensive noises coming from the existing one.

I knew exactly what I wanted - small, 4 stars in the Euro NCAP tests, 5-doors, automatic, and ABS, being "musts" on my list. Not an easy specification as a start for a search in Sweden, and it resulted in a series of 'earliest delivery in December/January' replies. Consequently I have spent hours surfing and ringing around to try and find one in a showroom somewhere...

[dannychuckle]

Originally posted by Twinkletoes
I knew exactly what I wanted - small, 4 stars in the Euro NCAP tests, 5-doors, automatic, and ABS, being "musts" on my list.
The new Megane? got 5* in the NCAP tests I think...

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by dannychuckle
The new Megane? got 5* in the NCAP tests I think... It did. But are you suggesting I'd buy a French car ???!!!


This link for the benefit of Our American Friends (OAFs) (http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/introduction.php) who probably don't know about the Euro NCAP tests.

[vavega]

....don't you ever sleep? :rolleyes:

[sharder8]

Originally posted by vavega
....don't you ever sleep? :rolleyes:

That's odd . . . . most of us wonder if he's ever awake! :p

Harder

[Win2Kuser]

Talking of which...

[vavega]

.....did you ever make up your mind on a car?

how about the honda S2000?;)

[Wizzard~Of~Ozz]

How bout this, very safe, you can just jump :D (besides it doesn't go fast enough to do any real damage..)

[Win2Kuser]

I would have thought this would be more like it... :D

[vavega]

hmmmmm........ a 2 seater

driving miss TTaisey :p :D

i can just see him on the back seat telling everyone where to go

[Twinkletoes]

LOL@win2K

VV - the bottom line became a Toyota Yaris. And once I'd decided that I had to take one with an AC next week or wait until January for one without.

Pity, the (equally) little Suzuki used to look nice in the garage next to the Silver Cloud, and it had only gone 120 000 km, which is nothing for a 17-year old car. To pre-empt the cracks: Yes, it was my 21st birthday present from Daddy.

[Wizzard~Of~Ozz]

http://woo.gotdns.com/needsmoarpics.gif

[Twinkletoes]

Pics ? Pics ??? I thought it was i.a.t. that they "specialised" in those. Never mind. If you look very closely, you might just see the rear end of the Silver Cloud in the garage. It looks a bit like a garage door in fact, but that's just an optical illusion.

[sharder8]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now if we could just get the TTwit ta' post his pic in the Scare the fish thread (http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14301)!! :bunny:

Harder

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by sharder8
Now if we could just get the TTwit ta' post his pic in the Scare the fish thread (http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14301)!! :bunny:
Look Mate. It's not just the fish that get scared looking at that thread: I get scared looking at it. Blo*dy scared !

I once saw a similar collection of mug shots from Alcatraz, or wherever it is you guys put your politicians out to retire. I think they were on the toilet door. The inside of the door. Or were they under the seat.

Of course, there are one or two exceptions - the author of the thread I'm prepared to forgive...and to date Win2K's effort is the best of the lot. No, give me some nice dark alleyways instead...

[vavega]

wth!??

did you print out every BSD from Charlie and tape it to the balcony!????? :D
wth is that?? :confused:

[mickwish]

I think it's a mural TT made at his local resthome craft class, VV. :p

At least, it might be a mural... :confused:

Cheers
Mick

[Twinkletoes]

:lol: @mick


Originally posted by vavega
...wth is that??The blue thing ? It's an SHSP (solar heat storage panel). There's another horizontal one under the roof. A special thermal liquid flows slowly through them and on down into a 1 000 000 litre aluminium storage tank beneath the garden. The heat is stored in the tank until the winter - provides a good booster when it gets really cold. Sometimes the tank is still warm enough in the Spring to boil an egg on (Note: boil, not fry !).

What's perhaps unusual about my receptors is that they are coated with a special pigment to match the colour of the surroundings, depending on the angle you're looking from. In the pic they have for some odd reason adapted to the blue sky background - in fact they should me more of a pink to match the brickwork, but the setting is b*ggered up a bit. To anybody looking from the balcony door they would (should) look predominantly green (garden), with a bit of white and yellow (car and bushes). What doesn't one do to keep one's neighbours environmentally happy !!!


Edit typo. Should be 1 000 000 litres, not 100 000. Sorry.

[Win2Kuser]

That sounds cool TT :)

I was reading something about that the other day. Our electric costs in the UK are just getting out of control, and our water is electric emersion heated (although we do have a gas boiler).

I don't think a 1,000,000 ltr tank is quite what we need, maybe something a bit smaller.

Taking the exchange rate into it, how much would something like that cost?

It might work out cheaper in the long run...

That paint pigment you were on about, sounds like a pearlescent pigment, it changes in colour depending on which angle you view it from. I think the reflection of grass/sky theory might be just coincidence...

Either that, or you have it painted in the same stuff the US Govt want to paint the new stealth bomber :D

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by Win2Kuser
...That paint pigment you were on about, sounds like a pearlescent pigment...the same stuff the US Govt want to paint the new stealth bomber... You're quite near the mark there in fact ! This stuff was a "sample" I got from a friend in the Swedish military...don't know how much it costs though and can't really say much more.



YGPM

[Win2Kuser]

YGPM back - Cool!

Neighbours will be impressed with that :p :D

What about the tank size though?...

[LAURENU2]

You need big storage for heating to coast between heating cycles
sun down to sun up

[PresterJohn]

Originally posted by Twinkletoes
If you look very closely, you might just see the rear end of the Silver Cloud in the garage. It looks a bit like a garage door in fact, but that's just an optical illusion.

hmmm...would this be a picture of la casa Twinkles? :)

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by PresterJohn
...would this be a picture of la casa Twinkles I know what you're thinking PJ. Sorry, latitude and longitude details are restricted information for security reasons. Only the President of the TT Fan Club is allowed to have them.


Lauren, yeah, it is pretty big, to say the least. I calculated it at a million litres liquid capacity - the inside is filled with a mesh of some kind of new mysterious spongy stuff with exceptionally high heat retention properties, with a super-efficient heat exchanger in the corner. They won't even tell me exactly what the material it is, only that it's not radioactive ! Apparently at the start of the winter when they "throw the big switch" as the guy puts it, the temperature of the liquid is well over 100 deg C !!!

But the best thing about it is to have the flowers in the garden blooming throughout the winter !!! The ones on top of the tank at any rate. But the lawn remains snowfree for a further 5 metres all around, which kind of upsets my daughter when she tries to go skating around the garden and hits a green spot !

[Win2Kuser]

LOL @ TT's Dau :ROF:

Did you get my PM TT???

I certainly like the sound of flowers all year round, but does it make the grass grow faster, as I hate cutting grass, and I don't have a robotic grass cutter like you have :rolleyes:

Meant to say... Ali has been making enquiries into this type of system - She thinks it's a great idea, and is really interested.

So, just how much heat does this baby knock out then?

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by Win2Kuser
Did you get my PM TT??? Of course i got your bl00dy PM. If you opened your mail you'll find a copy of the quotation I got !!!

I assume that by "robotic grass cutter" you mean the thing I posted a piccie of in WWW 3 months ago. Don't let Huskvarna hear you saying that: in their latest blurb they refer to it as a "mobile computer which cuts grass".

LOL@Ali. I guess it's the incinerator function she likes ! Women !!! Well tell her you won't be lumbered with diapers all your life, and it was a pretty expensive 'extra', considering that it doesn't contribute very much to the total useful thermal production really. Something to do with temperature differentials in the secondary coil. Anyway, I only got it cos I thought it would be useful to get rid of the evidence when I'm done with Sharder !!! j/k

As for the grass growing faster...well on the side of the tank fed by the fertiliser arm from the incinerator waste chamber, there is a huge difference in growth. Fairly obviously I suppose. Fertiliser is fertiliser, even if it only comes from burning household stuff. On the other side of the tank the grass is definitely greener (it always is on the other side !!! Ho! Ho!) persumably as a result of too much heat dissipated through the insulation. IMHO the growth on that side is much weaker, but the agricultural "boffins" doing the before-and-after study disagree. (See the second attachment I sent you on Sunday) You can't qin them all.

I have not yet been able to get a price for the panel coating stuff, and I don't think the epoxy binder is available in the UK either. Sorry. Come back to you later on that as soon as they tell me !

[Win2Kuser]

Yeah, I got it, didn't get email notification for some reason :confused:

Thanks for the quote, quite a bit more than I thought :eek:

But then when you think what you're getting, and the possible increase in house value etc, it's not bad...

Yeah, I think you're right about Ali wanting the incinerator extra, I put her off that idea though :) It's not so much the extra 2500 smacko's, it's the additional 36 cubic mtrs of space required! Anyway, even if I don't need sewerage services, the water board here won't charge me any less, so it's just not worth it :) ...and whats with the bright red door!! They go to all the trouble of having stealth receptor panels, and then stick that on the incinerator chamber, easily painted I suppose, but come on!

I am still surprised (having read the specs) that this thing can get upto such high temperatures for such a small electricity usage for the pumps - It might be ok quoting temps in excess of 160c, in reality, I expect it to be much lower than that, but as you have had yours for some time now, just how hot are we talking about???

As for the extra grass growth, I guess it's to be expected, but maybe in the future I can sweet talk Ali into letting me get a 'Mobile computer thats cuts grass' :) The challenge alone to get it interfaced to my X10 setup is worth the 2 grand price tag :bunny:

I used the info you sent me Sunday, and managed to get hold of Mr. X ;) ref the panel coating. He can get it imported for me, and he will give me a quote once I have decided on the final size and layout etc, so thats not a problem, but thanks anyway.

Other than that, things seem to be moving along nicely, I have a team coming out at the weekend to measure up and quote me for the ground work.

I can hardly wait to see the look on the neighbours faces when they see my back garden light up :D

The chap adjacent to me has several greenhouses, so the heat dissipation through the outer insulation from this thing will help him out no end :)

Thanks TT :D

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by Win2Kuser
... it's the additional 36 cubic mtrs of space required... Er...if you get your kite out of the way and have another read, you'll see the Spec says 36 cu ft, not metres !

Note however that a cusec IS cubic metres ! (cubic metres per sec)


Edit: Charge the greenhouse guy something if you can ! It will help defray your excavation costs !!!

[Win2Kuser]

lol

Just looked at the white paper again, you're right (although I hate to admit it :)), it is roughly 3x4x3 feet, I was getting confused with the cubic throughput of er waste matter -Thats a lot of ****!

One thing I did notice though is that the control panel for this thing is
...High specification Intel powered PC running the Microsoft XP TM operating system.

You didn't mention that before - It doesn't give specifics, but maybe I can borg it, and run FaD on it :bunny:

I hope you haven't got yours powered by Charlie :eek: That sure would cause some problems :D

YGPM
:D

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by Win2Kuser
...I hope you haven't got yours powered by Charlie :eek: That sure would cause some problems...Well you know the problems I've been having with him ! Could there be any connection between him, the X10 setup, and the SHSP not matching up to the background properly ??? I mean look at the piccie again ! If the pigment anode lag was a couple of millisecs off, how much will that affect the Angstrom deviation (wavelength vector). The Spec says 0.003% is enough to cause "a significant discrepancy" !!!

[dannychuckle]

you sure they didn't just sell you blue paint? :ROF:

[Twinkletoes]

Ha ha. Very funny, I'm sure.

If you care to empty your PM box, you might be interested in the White Paper on the subject.


Edit: Dunno whether you're related to Mickwish, but your PM box is full. You might like to read your e-mail instead before making any more unhelpful smart-arsed cracks.

[Cowboybooter]

Can I express an interest in the White Paper?

My PM box is, ( as always ), squeaky clean!

:D

Bob

[Win2Kuser]

I think I understand what you're saying TT...

I had a long chat with Mr. X this afternoon, and I pointed out the deviation factor on the SHSP. He explained that it is due to the camera focal point. When we look at it, we are using two eyes slightly separated by about 3 inches, the variational angle of viewing is enough to fool our eyes into thinking that we are looking straight through it, a camera cannot do this as a camera never lies (ho ho).

He also went on to explain that the wavelength vector variation of ~0.003% is about as close as we can get using current technology, and whilst it is only a small variation, when dealing with light, even a variation of 0.0001% would be visible :eek:

I have ordered 2 rolls of this stuff, so I am hoping to get it Friday, I'll lay it out and post a couple of pictures...

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by Cowboybooter
...Can I express an interest in the White Paper?
... Bob, contact Win2K if you want the full thing - it's pretty bulky to say the least. A synopsis is on it's way.

[dannychuckle]

Originally posted by Twinkletoes
You might like to read your e-mail instead before making any more unhelpful smart-arsed cracks.

it gives me a sense of purpose. I don't know about X10 or its effects on your deflector sheild array unfortunately tho.

Maybe Heavy Equipment could get one of these systems connected up to his PCs - gotta be plenty of heat comin off them! Do they use a peltier or somethin?

P.S. I didn't realise my sent messages were kept = inbox full!

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by dannychuckle
...Do they use a peltier or somethin? The Peltier deflector went out two years ago. Read the synopsis first.


Edit. I don't think H.E. will have much use for it. I don't think the epoxy binder is available in the US - I fell off my chair when Win2 said he could get it in the UK. When I was first "given" it I was told it was restricted to use in Sweden. Which only goes to show in this day and age !!!

[Win2Kuser]

TT:
YGPM :D

[Win2Kuser]

Originally posted by Twinkletoes
Bob, contact Win2K if you want the full thing - it's pretty bulky to say the least. A synopsis is on it's way.

CBB:

I will have to print it out and send it to ya, waaaaaay to much info to paste into a PM...

[Twinkletoes]

Win2: Thanks.

CBB: YGPM.

[Cowboybooter]

Can I ftp it, win2k?

TT's synopsis was intriguing, especially the Angstom deviants, however they don't appear to conform with the principles of osmosis, maybe the full paper explains it in more detail?

:)

Bob

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by Win2Kuser
...we are using two eyes slightly separated by about 3 inches... Well tell Jack he must have a pretty big nose, if that's the way he's trying to explain it !!! :ROF:

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by Cowboybooter
...however they don't appear to conform with the principles of osmosis... I don't see what "osmosis" has got to do with it. I thought that was all about the flow of liquids ! We're talking about the SHSP panels and the theory of optics here !! OK, osmosis comes into play in the heat tank itself, but I can not see that it has any relevance at all to do with the X10 doo-dahs.

[Cowboybooter]

Geez Louise, I haven't got as far as the optics yet! How fast do you think I can read?

I'm still in the tank!

:)

Bob

[tank]

I beg your pardon? Oh right......

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by tank
I beg your pardon? Oh right...... Hate to disappoint you Tank, but I don't think he meant you. But one can never be sure - chin up !

[Cowboybooter]

:ROF: @ tank! No, not your kind, or even that kind - this kind! :D

[dannychuckle]

think I know whats happened... its sooo blue cos the the red pigments cells have all burst... have there been any REALLY vivid red or pink colours in the area? Was the photographer wearing anything bright red or bright pink?

[Win2Kuser]

I still think it's down to the angle that it is shot at...

The pigment is designed to fool the eyes into thinking they are looking through it in a sense, kinda like an optical illusion. Due to the separate angle that our eyes focus on an object, it seems that the pigment creates an almost moure effect. Looking at it with one eye, doesn't have the same effect, it will refract the nearest objects to its trajectory i.e. the sky - If you were looking at it from above with one eye (or camera), it would appear green.

CBB:
How did you manage to scan that picture so well, I tried scanning it off the main spec sheet, but it didn't come out very well - Guess I'd better go back to twain school :rolleyes:

The tank I will most likely get will be about half the size of that baby, but it looks exactly the same, just smaller.

As for the pigment stuff, got two rolls of the it arriving tomorrow, I'll take a couple of pics and post it up :D

[vavega]

you're kinda quiet today.....are you sitting on your hands? :p

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by vavega
you're kinda quiet today.....are you sitting on your hands? :p Because I've been chewing on my cud, that's why !!!

Or more specifically I've been trying to correlate radiation units, namely the microtesla which is used by the Swedish Tjänstemannens Central Organisation (TCO) for monitors. I think the TCO standard is used in quite a few European countries, but I don't know about the US (?). Anyway, basically a tesla is a weber per square metre. Then there's something call the sar (specific absorption rate) and that is W/kg, and is used by the Swedish Radiation Protection Authority (SSI) and the WHO as a measure for how "dangerous" cellphones are...

Since Win2 'put the wind up me' (instead of releasing it into the atmosphere as usual) with a few ill chosen words above, I've been worrying about the pigment stuff on my SHSP panels - forget the colour problems for the time being ! According to the white paper the pigment has a "SAR value of only 0.48 microtesla per kg...in the wavelength spectrums normally experienced as dangerous to humans"). That seems a rubbish unit of measurement to me, and I'm womdering if anybody has any relevant comments ??? Google hasn't been any use.





CBB, I'd be interested if you could send me some infos (preferably by e-mail) about the manufacturer of that tank, or rather, details about its capacity and cost. And if its aluminium-coated internally.

[PresterJohn]

>>Or more specifically I've been trying to correlate radiation units,

TT,

ya know...for a guy who professes to be a non-techie of sorts, your reading 'list' seems to be rather strange. :p

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by PresterJohn
...your reading 'list' seems to be rather strange...LOL ! Last night I finished "Chuck Berry: The Autobiography" (translated into Swedish), and while putting daughter to bed an hour ago I got a good start into "The Known World" (Edward P Jones). The joys of early retirement !!!

But that's not the sort of reading list you meant !!! When it comes to techie stuff, on paper at any rate my formal education left me with a fair bit of knowledge of what goes on in life - your atoms, electrons, microns and whatever - but no knowledge of any kind about the correct way to hold a screwdriver, if you get what I mean ! Also - to preempt Sharder - computers weren't invented in those days. Well there were a couple of "big ones" floating around in the universities in the UK, but not much else.

But, getting back OT, do you guys use the TCO 99 radiation standard for monitors in the States ??? It's quite amazing that there is such a standard in fact, because the TCO is a Swedish white-collared trade union who developed it to prevent secretaries get harmed from long hours in front of word-processors. Honest ! I swear !!! And it now seems to have fairly wide international acceptance - I've seen the little red TCO sticker on monitors at Chiangi Airport in Singapore !!!

[PresterJohn]

the TCO99 is indeed used in north america, though the big hullaboo over CRT radiation emissions seems to have died down in the last 4+ years.

this is due mainly to the fact that most CRT manufactuers are producing compliant monitors with comparable numbers to each other and the rise of LCD purchases in both corporate and home.

[Twinkletoes]

Mmm. After CRTs, TCO turned their attention to cellphones, and proposed 0.8 W/kg as a limit. There are those who suggest that the cellphone manufacturers agreed to ignore it: none of them so far as I know have tried to use "conforms to TCO limit" or some such in their sales promotion. (The WHO recommends 1.6 W/kg). But attitudes might change now that the Karolinska Medical Institute - by an odd coincidence, also Swedish - very very recently published some new research findings. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3742120.stm)


But getting back OT. Has anybody heard of the SAR values of SHSP coating pigments quoted in terms of microtesla per kg ? Per kg ??? Does that include the weight of the X10 epoxy binder or not ???

[PresterJohn]

>But getting back OT. Has anybody heard of the SAR values of SHSP coating pigments quoted in terms of microtesla per kg ? Per kg ??? Does that include the weight of the X10 epoxy binder or not ???

:rofl2

TT, you either have WAAAYY too much time on your hands or you're a closet hypocondriac!

[Win2Kuser]

I think you've got your wires crossed TT, the X10 handles main communication between the SHSP's and the main unit as well as internal communication between the flux unit, thermostat, and expulsion unit. As for as I can see, the weight would be just the weight of the SHSP as the tech spec quotes net weight.

As for the SAR values, I can't find any information on this at all, it's almost as if that information just does not exsist - Kinda makes ya worry don't it...

...possible radiation leaks etc etc.

You've never had any of your Swedish government officials on your door have you? It the sort of thing they can pick up via satalite!

As for the SHSP coating, it was due to arrive Friday, but got held up in UK customs, something about the xray machine going all screwy or something... It has been released though, so I guess I should get it tomorrow :D

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by Win2Kuser
...Swedish government officials...pick up via satalite...No (except the "boffin" connected to the original project), and definitely not strong enough to be picked up by satellite. At least that's what I've been told.

[Twinkletoes]

Win2, empty your mailbox and check our e-mail ! I have just heard from warmer climes (!!!) that you have got/are going to have "slight" problems with import certification.

[Win2Kuser]

Thanks for the heads up TT :)

Yeah, Bl00dy UK customs again...

There is a problem with the certificate of origin???...

As quoted in the letter I received today - slightly shortened to save my fingers...
Note to self: Get yer bl00dy scanner working!


Dear Mr. Agar,

Further to your enquires on Friday 15th October 2004 in reference to consignment number F56Y34-6,
unfortunately, there have been further delays.

The certificate of origin as issued by SKI Statens Kärnkraftinspektion is coded for military use
only. As such, we are unable to release the package.

It is evident that the package has been shipped with the wrong information, but due to the Security
Regulations 2003 No. 403 (ISBN0110453972), we are unable to forward the consignment.

You are urged to contact the sender immediately at their Barseback Reactor 2 Office branch, Tel. xx xxxxxxxxxx

We will hold this package for a further 5 working days before it is returned to the sender.

Please note, that you may be liable for any further costs involved in returning the consignment.

Yours Sincerely,

Mr. xxxxxxx

UK Customs Officer.


Jeeze, anyone would think I was trying to smuggle a couple of extra crates of beer in :eek:

So there we have it, now what????

I can't see what the fuss is about, it's only a couple of rolls of Solar heating stuff, not
exactly a couple of bars of plutonium!!!

I have emailed the SKI office and asked WTF is going on, so I'll just have to wait and see :(

[cbuddha42]

wow this post is officially crazy! UK customs probably thinks you are trying to build a stealth, solar powered, nuclear missile ;)

white paper me! ftp maybe?

[mickwish]

Originally posted by cbuddha42
UK customs probably thinks you are trying to build a stealth, solar powered, nuclear missile ;)

white paper me! ftp maybe? Hmmm, is that what cbudda wants to make? :eek:

:p

Cheers
Mick

[Win2Kuser]

hehe I'd certainly consider dropping one on my works...

TT:
I know you're in Sweden and you don't suffer with the petty import/export regs we do here, but did you have any problems like this???

YGPM...

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by Win2Kuser
...I know you're in Sweden and you don't suffer with the petty import/export regs we do here, but did you have any problems like this... No, so far as I know there are no import/export regs in Sweden for things which are actually manufactured/produced in Sweden !!! Not yet anyway. :D:D:D (Are you trying to compete with Sharder for the "Thickie of The Year" title again ???). You might remember that I posted some weeks back that I'd be surprised if you could get the epoxy in the UK.

The problem with the Inspectorate is firstly that Barseback has always been a pretty high profile plant internationally from the environmental viewpoint (Denmark was/is not very happy having a thing like that so close to Copenhagen), and secondly that they have very strict regulations for civilians procuring by-products and non-radioactive "scrap", no matter how ostensibly harmless they might be. That was where Jack's connections with the decommissioning of the R1 unit proved useful for me, and I was able to get the stuff. He could show that there was zero risk of contamination from the epoxy - which is presumably why the SHSP is not responding to the X10 system signals about wavelength, i.e. the apparent colour to the observer.

So now I've got "the VaVega blues" again !!!
:ROF:

[Win2Kuser]

Ho Ho :rolleyes:

I didn't mean literally which is why I said you don't suffer with the import/export blah de blah... I meant hassle with autority wherever it might stem from...

Anyway...


...




...




...




It arrived !!!!!!!
:D

For some reason though, my Digital camera has started playing up (strange, it was working fine before this stuff arrived :shrug: ) So anyway, I'll get this going, then I'll post a couple of pics :D

You were right about the epoxy though, the resin that is... I'm not too sure how I'm meant to fix this stuff to the wall... I think it might look strange with a formation of nails sticking out of the wall apparently holding nothing up...

Pictures later...



[edit]
Meant to say, this stuff is THE coolest thing I have ever seen, I laid some of it down on the lounge carpet, and laughed MC off every time Ali tripped over nothing :ROF:

It made finding it and rolling it back up a challenge though :rolleyes:

[vavega]

i am working on it, you are just going to have to be patient.
my suggestion is another cup of coffee and stop looking over my shoulder! :p

[Paul W]

There's some serious technology in this thread. :eek:

Sounds impressive.

[Twinkletoes]

Mmmm.

[Wizzard~Of~Ozz]

He explained that it is due to the camera focal point. When we look at it, we are using two eyes slightly separated by about 3 inches, the variational angle of viewing is enough to fool our eyes into thinking that we are looking straight through it, a camera cannot do this as a camera never liesAhh, so a person that's lost an eye and has no depth perception would see it quite well, and while asking someone what's that, they would reply "What's what" :D oh the fun you could have, poor guy lost his eye, then lost his mind :)

[mickwish]

I thought was thread was about cars??? :confused:

BTW, did you ever buy one, TT? I hear some of the Saab's have 5 stars under NCAP. You'd be able to get them, wouldn't you? :rolleyes:

Or have you been too busy buying shares in invisible paint and stuff? :p

Cheers
Mick

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by mickwish
...about cars...did you ever buy one...Or have you been too busy buying shares in invisible paint and stuff? Yeah, I did, although I didn't really have much option in choice: as I've posted i.a.t. (I think), I ran down my top-priority list: small, 5-doors, 4-star ENCAP rating, automatic gear-box, ABS and that got me to a Toyota Yaris or a Skodia Fabia. I chose the former, even though my bank manager would no doubt have recommended the latter.

Actually, for reasons best known to myself, I don't think I'm gonna buy any more shares in the paint and stuff right at this moment. Maybe later...

[Win2Kuser]

TT, thanks for the warning PM I tried sending one back, but yer box is full (had fun saying that to Ali last night ;) :bunny: ). Nasty, very nasty, and I really do think you should post details on the boards of your little disaster. I've sent the paper and Jack's links to several other people and IMO it's better coming from you firsthand since you have had all the contacts with the Svenska Radiation Protection Authority. Openly admitting a major setback is a true demonstration of a strong British character.

As for the shares...

Ali is trying to force me to sell mine. Apparently, after tripping over the stuff the other day, she mildly twisted her ankle (hard to tell really as they are still swollen from the birth etc), but anyway, she is not a happy bunny. I really don't know what to do ATM, I want to go ahead, but I'm being held back by constant nigly little problems and wifey... :(

[mickwish]

TT's PM box is full? :eek: :o :eek:

Well, that's something that can happen to anyone, then, eh?? :D

:ROF:

Cheers
Mick

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by mickwish
:ROF:Er...er...he who laughs last, laughs best, Mick. I'll come back to you regarding this most foul slander on another day...

Win2K: YGBBPM !!!!!!
(only jokin' mun)

[Win2Kuser]

Well, here we are again then...

I had forgotten all about this thread intill a certain Swedish/Welsh cup cake reminded me i.a.t...

I actually had the stuff installed back in January much to the annoyance of the neighbourhood (cranes/noise etc etc). It was hard going too, the ground was very hard being winter and all, was a job and a half digging out a 15 foot deep hole 20 feetx10 feet in size. My nextdoor neighbour actually thought I was having a swimming pool fitted :D I had to get him involved as we have no real access to our garden, the only way to get the hymac in was through his garden :eek:

It has settled down now, and the garden is almost back to normallity, there is a slight dip where the main unit sits underground, but I only really notice it when I cut the grass, or Emily screams when she trips over it :bunny:

By far the hardest part was fixing the epoxy solar heating compound to the sofits around the house, the neighbours sure looked at me funny when they saw me pasting glue in mid air and doing a mime impression pressing nothing onto the walls :D

Looks good though, you can hardly see it at all, which must mean I did a good job in fixing it, as for the main unit, makes a big difference to the overal costs, our electric is high anyway, but heating costs are practically non exsistant.

I was a bit dissapointed with the epoxy though, I was hoping for the semi translucent stuff that TT has which kinda reflects and bends the light around it giving a vivid blue colour on a nice day. Mine is the newer stuff which is much more translucent and whilst it does bend and warp the light around it, gives more of an impression of nothingness, but looking at it from a slight angle makes the brickwork look like it is out of line with the rest of the house. But then the technology wasn't really developed for brick homes...

I'll get the camera out at some point in time, and post a few pics of before (if I can find any) and after.

[mickwish]

Ah, this thread, eh? :D

Cheers
Mick

[Twinkletoes]

Thanks for the PM Win2. (As I responded elsewhere) I sorted out the dreaded X10 module: I managed to get an X12 from you-know-who, and I haven't looked back. Not a short circuit, not a leak anywhere!!! Be interesting if you could give me some more details though - always good to know what problems other people are having. For simplicity's sake ("Simplicity" = new name for Sharder!) we'd better stick to this original thread though, cos all the background stuff is here if somebody else wants to try and build one!!!


PS I actually bumped in to Jack the other day - he sent his regards, but he was wearing a funny twisted smile when he said it! I wonder why...LOL.

[Win2Kuser]

I wonder why indeed :)

Yes, I have had quite a few problems with the X10 module, lights turning on and off at will, curtains closing during the day, it's been like having a ghost in the house :D

Got most of those problems sorted now though, but still get some interference across the wireless lan. I tried PM'ingYKW ref to upgrading to the X10 mk2 (X12) unit, but he seems to change email addresses almost daily, real hard getting hold of the chap. Anyone would think he was trying to avoid me :rolleyes:

Other than that though, the main unit has been working well for almost 7 months without problem, it was commisioned on Jan 27th, that really pissed the neighbours off as the thing was still banging and filling up well into the early hours of Friday morning :D

Gives off a lovely glow too - reminiscent of the dayglow paint that is used to light up the hour markers on watches. My father knows a couple of pilots that fly from Lyneham RAF base 7 miles away, they have said that they can see the glow from over 40 miles away :eek:

...and yes, I too have had lots of questions about the ethics of it all and where it was sourced from :D I'm very cagey with my email addresses now too...

So, the X12 unit, is that a commercially available bolt-on, or will I need to source it from the usual place?

[Twinkletoes]

...By far the hardest part was fixing the epoxy solar heating compound to the sofits around the house, the neighbours sure looked at me funny when they saw me pasting glue in mid air and doing a mime impression pressing nothing onto the walls...

The neighbours must have thought that you were pissed and that you thought you were trying to hail a taxi to get home...again

Gives off a lovely glow too - reminiscent of the dayglow paint that is used to light up the hour markers on watches. My father knows a couple of pilots that fly from Lyneham RAF base 7 miles away, they have said that they can see the glow from over 40 miles away :eek:
I've got a digital watch, so I can't comment on the hour markers, but one thing I'll will say and that is that those pilots are talking cow turds. You can not "see" the glow of the tank, large though it is, from 40 miles. What they can see, if they have got exceptionally sensitive instruments (of a kind not normally found in aircraft btw) is the thermal shadow thrown up by the radiation leaks through the seams of the insulation of the tank. And for that to be possible, the epoxy coolant must be at a temperature of 225C!!!

You will need to source the X12 through the usual channel, yes, but the procedure has been changed now for obvious reasons. Suggest you contact Jack discreetly and tell him the Svenska RPA have asked you for additional info as part of their retroactive safety analysis.

See the Pink Paper for the rest of the stuff.

[Win2Kuser]

Okay will do, thanks TT :)

Will come back when I have an answer...

[pain_inbutt]

Wow flash backs or is it the twilite zone :rolleyes:

[Win2Kuser]

Righty then, had an email back from Jack, he did try and worm his way out of it, but a sent him one back and blagged him a bit. He was very concerned about the safety analysis side of things, but said that he would contact SCA (Svenska Cellulosa Aktiebolaget) and make sure that I get the upgrade module asap. Current module is now XP10 v.3 codename X13Delta Get this though...

Cost of upgrade module and shipping & handling would be €478 :eek: Far too much for me to afford right now, even if I sucked up to Wifey, I very much doubt I'll be upgrading any time soon...

Anyway, I contacted SKI at their Barseback Reactor 2 Office (thats the only other contact details I have), and had a good moan at them about the quality of signal and interference from my current module. They were surprisingly helpfull (through the broken English), and said that they would be sending over a couple of their physisist engineers to locate and rectify the faults :) I think it helped that I quoted several RF intererence standards and blagged them about the TCO, the latter I think was the clincher :D

I tried taking a couple of pictures of the heating resin compound (heat exchange side of things) to post in here, but I have the stuff up at the back of the house as thats where I get the most sun, but sadly, I get too much interference from the main unit and all I get is a black image, walk round to the front of the house, and the camera works fine :dontknow: perhaps a polaroid camera will do the trick - any ideas?

I will be interesting to see what the camera sees as it would be looking through 1 focal point rather than 2...

Ho hum, back to whatever it was I was doing before I thought I'd come in here and waffle about things so far...

[Twinkletoes]

Interesting! But you'd better read the small print on your contract before you think about putting any photos on the Net!!! (At least if you have the same contract as I signed.) A couple of months back the local newspaper wanted to take some pictures chez moi. Nix! Not allowed. Publishing an article was OK, but photos was a no-no.

[sao95]

can I have a copy of this mysterious "white paper"?
sao

[Twinkletoes]

can I have a copy of this mysterious "white paper"?
saoSure. I'll e-mail you the summary tomorrow.

[Win2Kuser]

Theres a white paper???

All I have is a bad copy of the pink paper. It doesn't really go into the workings of the unit, just basically outlines the basics.

Yeah, I had a scan through the contract. You are right (oh how I hate saying that), it very clearly states that due to the natures of the radioactive compound, it would be in the best interests for national security that photos are not to be freely distributed, it goes on to say that any posting of photos in newsgroups or forums are strictly prohibited under section 4 part 8 (Radioactive management) State Atomic Energy Safety Inspectorate (VATESI) 1996. Failing to comply could result in a fine of upto €25000 and or 5 years in jail :eek:

So yeah, basically not a good idea to post photos! Interestingly enough though, a google on VATESI shows that it is laws based in Lithuania :dontknow:
Bit daft though if you ask me, I can give a full graphic desciption of what this stuff looks like including as much detail as I could type, yet I can't post a scan of a polaroid photo.

Oh well, all's well that end's well...

I'll let you know in due course how the engineers get on - when they get here, with all this trouble with the London Bombings etc, I think they might wait a while until it all calms down before bringing possible radioactive components into the country...

[Cowboybooter]

originally posted by TT
local newspaper wanted to take some pictures chez moi. Nix! Not allowed

I guess This (http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1899) one slipped through the net then?

:D

Bob

[Win2Kuser]

heheh :lol:

I think they mean that a details picture intended to show the stuff rather than just a pic of a house...

[Cowboybooter]

With a funny blue balcony.......................

:D:D

Bob

[Win2Kuser]

lol :D

Anyways, how rude of me...

Evening Bob, how goes it?

So... you interested in getting a unit and taking the plunge?


Where is the old git (TT I mean), he's normally around this time of night...

[Cowboybooter]

Evening Mark,

Things are still so busy atm I can barely take a plunge into the pool, never mind 'other projects'!

But otherwise good! Off to France next week for some R&R!

:)

Bob

[Twinkletoes]

...You are right (oh how I hate saying that)...I'll let you know in due course how the engineers get on...LOL. You make it sound as though your installation is the whole purpose of the visit...what's Windscale called these days btw :innocent:

[Win2Kuser]

heheh LMCO :lol:

I knew you were going to say that, I wasn't going to go there, but nevermind...

As soon as they get a sniff of it, all they think about is 1957 :eek:

Gets on yer nerves doesn't it, all the questions and pestering, phone tapping etc etc - Anyone would think we were running reactors in our back gardens :rolleyes: Although I do hear that it could be an upgrade option in the not too distant future...

Now that would give the neighbours something to moan about :devil: :D

[sao95]

Sure. I'll e-mail you the summary tomorrow.

e-mail recieved, however, I wouldn't call that a summary :eek: I have to paint the garage, and and put everything in the driveway back in it. Besides that, all the measurements are metric, it'd take me a year to convert them so that they would make sense in my head. End product being I'll read it later :D
sao

[sao95]

It didn't make much sense to me, so I emailed a copy to a military buddy of mine who was in the nuke program, smart guy, the type who is so smart that they are stupid, he got kicked out of the military for doing hash in Spain He told me he actually thought it wouldn't show up on a piss test I have no idea how he came to that conclusion, but any who, he says it sounds like something the U.S. govt. was using in the early 80's, but that the system was replaced because within ten years all of those type of "tanks" leaked, contaminating the area, he also wanted to know how you could get one in your back yard as in the service they had to be "suited up" to go with in fifty yards of a tank, even the types that were buried. And removal is not only expensive but impossible to do without some leakage, so basically if you have one of these your an idiot.
sao

[Win2Kuser]

Sao:

Yep, I too was worried about the possible leakage issue, but on further reading, the main unit itself will last at least according to spec. over 250 years corrosion free, which will certainly see me out ;)

The older models (pre 90's) were badly put together mainly due to manufacturing processes, but also due to military budget, the new models such as the type TT and myself proudly own are assembles in a completely different way and to a much higher standard. In fact, they guarantee against leakage providing you dissasemble in the recommended manor using their technicians. Note, the tank itself is not readioactive, but the thermal compound is, provided you pump it out and flush the tank correctly, the tank becomes quite harmless :)

<sigh> Still not heard back from the engineers, I'll give Matey a buz later and see whats going on :rolleyes:

[sao95]

plant some spiderwort plants over the area, here read this.... "Spiderworts are among the world's most sensitive-and certainly the most attractive-devices for detecting nuclear radiation. The stamen hairs on a plant that has been exposed to low-level radiation change from blue to pink in proportion to the dose received. By counting, under a microscope, the number of cells in a hair that have so changed, a scientist can index the severity of radiation. "
taken from here http://longlake.fws.gov/flowers.htm

seems alot of flowers thrive with doses of radiation, and didn't ttwit say his garden was growing really well?

[Win2Kuser]

heheh Now we know why the Spiderwort Bees are getting so darn big :D

Very true, however, most 'old codgers' gardens seem to grow well :tease: :bunny: so that doesn't mean anything...

I can't vouch for TT as his is much older (like most things :P), but my unit has a built-in geiger counter on the main control panel, it gives a 'steady background radiation click' as described in the manual. Some days though, it does click a little faster, but that is generally when the local RAF base are doing excersises and the big hercs fly over...